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| I Am The Admin | Stock Class Paintball - Past, Present, and Future
Stock Class Paintball. Just the phrase conjures up different pictures on one's mind. It also starts more arguments on the internet with no defining conclusion. I decided to set out and find out why. The Origins of Stock Class Paintball First, we have to find out where stock class paintball originated. Most will think back to the days when Splatmasters and Nelspots roamed the Earth. Actually, it all began in 1992 when the Stock Gun Players Association (SGPA) was formed. Founded by Marty C. Nation M.D., the SGPA, wanted to define what Stock Class paintball was: Quote:
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We've seen dozens of different variants posted on the internet. Some with changes to allow for certain exceptions. One being an exception for the Nelspot since you needed to remove the grip panel (The CO2 did not drop out through the threads), and an exception for the Crossman 3357, a double action .50 caliber revolver. The original format from the above fax went on to be written as such to allow for these exceptions: Quote:
Examples would be the Nelspot 007, and certain clones, the Sheridan PGP, PMI-1, KP Rifle, and P68SC are true "stock" guns. Even in 1996, folks did not like the Phantoms or Carter guns. The early stock class adopters were against the arms race of pump guns, just as much as the arms race with semi-automatic paintball guns as seen in the quote below: Quote:
The original group - The Stock Gun Players Association did not want to allow guns that were capable of auto-triggering, or what they considered "high-tech" pump guns. Quote:
This is when Stock Class, NOT the SGPA, but stock class as a concept began to loosen the rules. Quote:
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The APG article even stated: Quote:
Modified Stock Class This is where everything gets muddy. There are no set rules for Modified Stock Class. There are some generally accepted rules, but it varies on who you ask. StockClassPaintball.com says that modified stock class: Quote:
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But I feel Durty Dan said it best when he said: Quote:
If we were to follow the original SGPA rules, we could not use Phantoms, Carter's, RTR Gargoyles, et al. Should we allow the use of a tank with a horizonal feed as stockclasspaintball puts in their modified rules? We could. Should we allow the use of direct feeds with 10 round vertical stick feeds but using 12 grams as CCI says? We could. These are the modified rules. Yet many today will tell you using a vertical stick feed isn't stock class, while using a Phantom paintball gun, that isn't stock class either, but only allowed due to a modified version of the original rules. Proposing a Modern Day Stock Class Set of Rules The New Proposed Rules
We allow the use of all single use 12 gram changers. This is to be sure certain guns like the Duck or Re-dux with the slam changer don't get excluded. When we think stock class, we immediately think horizontal feed. We will however make an exception for a 10 round vertical stick feed. Some guns may not have the ability to be turned horizontal, and therefore will be limited to 10 rounds. Think of the Empire ER2, where you just jam a 10 round tube into the direct feed port. We're also going to add this in because some horizontal feeds are not perfectly horizontal, and instead of trying to differentiate what is perfectly horizontal and what is not... we'll just make sure they're covered by the rules and allowed. What happened to the old rules? The concept of stock class has changed, so we must change too. Nelspots are not just stock class anymore... They're vintage. You can no longer purchase them new. Just as they have special races for vintage motorcycles and vintage snowmobiles, maybe time has come to make a vintage stock class game? And since stock class no longer means what it used to mean, let's redefine it. Out of this I think we can create what can be called the "Vintage Stock Class", "Stock Class" (with the proposed rules), and an "Open Class" for pump paintball. Conclusion In doing the research for this project, I've found that what we call "stock class" is very far from the original foundation that was laid out. Everything done today is a modified version with our "ideal" way that we want to see stock class, thrown into the rules. With all the different modified versions of stock class rules on the internet, we're really just picking and choosing what we want to play to purposely exclude others. Stock Class seems to be the original elitist group of paintball. Let's not keep it that way. Pump guns are readily available today from many different manufacturers, both in-expensive and top of the line. All pump guns can be run on 12 grams. Sure, certain low pressure guns (ones that run on HPA like CCM) will need to be re-sprung for CO2, but it can be done. We will be putting together a how-to on re-springing your pump gun for CO2. Horizontal feeds and 10 round tubes can still be purchased. I put in the vertical feed to not exclude certain pumps but also to leave the door open to someone that only had an old gravity fed hopper. 10 rounds in the hopper isn't enough to take away the skill aspect. Also "house rules" on the amount of paint a hopper fed gun user can take with them can be enacted. Durty Dan is quoted saying: Quote:
Resources: [1] Dirty Dan's Website - What is stock Class - or Mirror of it: What is Stock Class (archive.org) [2] Rec.Sport.Paintball Discussion Group - Stock Class Rules [3] Original Stock Class FAQ - Feb, 1996 Stock Class FAQ [4] StockClassPaintball.com FAQ - Stock Class Paintball FAQ [5] Phantom Online - Tournament Guidlines [6] APG Article - Back to the Basics
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What does this mean exactly? Quote:
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Works for me. My phantom feed tube is not 100% horizontal and I have a drop out changer. I like to use stick feeds on my open class guns too! I think that as long as the "spirit" of stock class is kept alive then we all win!
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Great research, thanks Carter! This supports my belief that the rules were flawed from the beginning and too restrictive. As someone that had played "modified stock class" nearly exclusively for several years, I've personally rejected it as a crock. While it is fun, I think placing restrictions on the hardware is elitist. I much prefer limited paint as a means of maintaining the "original spirit" of the game. A vintage class could be fun, if only the hardware or replicas were more accessible.
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# # Stick Feed (Single stacked paintballs, 20 round max) running parallel to the gun or Vertical Stick (10 round max) Instead of parallel to the gun I would change it to parallel to the "barrel" I am in favour of anything that simplifies the rules for SC paintball. Using the simpliest guns shouldn't require a complex set of rules. Simple rules equals more people out playing Awesome write up Carter
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Great suggestion... Can do!
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| 6.5x50 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Yorktown, Virginia | No detents. Of course this was way before the subcaliber paintballs of today.
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| Ruined LL5 for Everyone! | No not detents unless they were in the feed tube, the top of the bolt. It has to do with the ball stack, not a chambered ball.
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