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Old 03-15-2012, 11:27 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I bought my first PMI Trracer in 1993. It was "Gun of the Year" I believe in 1992. My first Manual (little booklet) showed the gun with the 12 gr dropout valve.... but by 93 you couldn't find those very easily as 12 gr's were on the way out and tanks were the big thing. In 92 when I first really started looking the popular versions were to get the gun with either a 3.5 oz or 7 oz tank. I don't think I saw 12 oz tanks available around me until late 93 early 94. I had never seen a 10 oz. tank in person until years later.

So version 1 was 92 with the dropout or optional ASA with an M16 grip.

Version 2 was ASA only, detente spring, two piece power tube (the front piece was part of the hammer) and Euro Grip (no more M16 grip). This was probably 93 on.

94 saw the release of the velocity adjustable bolt as a add on... and then same year the Deluxe that had the velocity adjustable bolt, field strip screws (the had a coin slot and an o-ring that was under the screw head that helped you snug the screw up against the frame rail or pump arms so the screws wouldn't fall out on the field). I can't remember if there was another change.. but those two were HUGE.

94 also saw the Bottomline kit come out for the Euro grip.. great addition. I think you could also get this factory installed. Biggest problem with this was over tightening the screw as you could easily strip the hole in the plastic frame. TASO, J&J and other aftermarket barrel companies when into full swing producing barrels for the Trracer in 94 (if not late 93). I remember my friend getting an 18" TASO barrel that was fluted and had a twist muzzle break... only problem was it had a HUGE bore and balls would roll out if you pointed it downwards.

The Trracer pretty much stayed the same when PMI stopped selling them and ACI took over direct sales, but called them Mavericks... until around 2003 or so when ACI did a last push and sold off a HUGE bunch of their left over stock. These guns were crappy.. why? Well they pulled the large diameter feeds (1" od, with an i.d. that fit a 10 round tube snugly) and welded on a 7/8" feed nipple.. then did a really cruddy bead blast job (if you were lucky) and then re-anodized the guns in a standard ano.... the original guns were hard (military standard) ano'd in a really nice glossy black... the new re-manufactured guns had a horrible finish in comparison.

So that is the Trracer/Maverick history. I never kept up with the Hornet/Tagmasters (under cocker's).

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Old 03-15-2012, 11:58 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I remember a huge fire that destroyed something like 80% of ACI's warehouse or manufacturing plant or both. Seems like that was the late late 90's/early 2000's. Things for them weren't the same after that incident. I always liked them as a company to deal with and their products were great.
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Old 03-15-2012, 12:55 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I have an old ACI Assassin put away that was the first gun I ever purchased. It was a group buy with my friends, who bought their own too. Great little shooters, I mean it was just another STBB, but it never failed on me. The only issue I had was that the drop and ASA had propietrary mounting slots, so I never switched them out. Still running stock to this day. I have her put away, but I don't think I'll ever have the heart to sell her, even if I'll never use her again.
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:01 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I have an old ACI Assassin put away that was the first gun I ever purchased. It was a group buy with my friends, who bought their own too. Great little shooters, I mean it was just another STBB, but it never failed on me. The only issue I had was that the drop and ASA had propietrary mounting slots, so I never switched them out. Still running stock to this day. I have her put away, but I don't think I'll ever have the heart to sell her, even if I'll never use her again.
I feel the same exact way about my F4, Like I said earlier it comes out about once a year for old times sake.
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Stock class = 12grams and a stick feed. End discussion.
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Old 03-17-2012, 02:48 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Now that sounds strange. I had both an f4 and a trracer at the sme time I had a tippmann a5. At one point I was messing around and ended up discovering that the stock barrel for my f4 threaded into my a5, the trracer barels dis not. I even got it cut down by my brother inlaw into a stubby barrel.

Also, I thought the f4 model name was the illustrator rather than the gryphon. At least that's the way I remember it.
To my knowledge the A5, ProLite/Carbine and F4 shared barrel threading but the old ProLite/Carbine barrels tend to fall out of an F4 because they are designed to be clamped in.


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I feel the same exact way about my F4, Like I said earlier it comes out about once a year for old times sake.
Maybe you only play with it once a year, but it is a frequent loaner.
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:13 PM   #36 (permalink)
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The story of the F4 is similar, going back to the F1 design being made by another party, bought out by someone else entirely in the f2 (I cant remember if the F2 was FASTEC, but the AFT pistol was them) then ACI bought out that design and made the F4. That design was later sold to brass eagle who made the raptor from that design.
F1/F2/AFT Were all F.A.S.T F2 did get distributed by ACI at the end of its life (Some of the later manuals for F2 had ACI's name on it.....)

I left paintball after this so lost track of the rest of the "lineage" transition

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http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/PICT2668.jpg
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The rest is borrowed from Barrel Thread Guide
raptor barrel (same threads as F1)
http://paintballlibrary.com/main2/im...1218723251.jpg
100% correct: F1/Raptor had same threading (Sterling had "compatible" threads: i don't think they were exactly the same but were close enough that they would thread in also the breech depth was different so they weren't swapable without a bit of "help"

F2/AFT had the slipfit barrel held in by a thumbscrew. Design was similar to the Automag. AFT/F2 weren't directly compatible but could be converted rather easily (AFT was center feed/F2 right feed)
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F4 Double trigger frames ....


Center feed F4 ......


Mini Center feed F4 ....


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I may have to send you and extra F4 body next time I have one Ken.

I Think the F4 I gave one of my friends as a first gun had one or your double triggers on it. I know it had a double trigger. Any way to tell if it was one of yours?
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:04 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I know it had a double trigger. Any way to tell if it was one of yours?
Where the trigger gard meet the frame, it's milled inward and thin in that area.

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