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Old 03-15-2012, 08:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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One of the main advantages of a poppet-valved marker is that you can easily pull the bolt out for cleaning... assuming that enough of it is exposed at the rear of the gun... which won't work if you want a clean sight rail on top.
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spoolies tend to be a more smoother shot, some people like that, as well as quieter. in the woods, that might get you a second or third shot before you are spotted. efficiency is a weird thing. some people will only shoot the paint on their pack, so it really doesn't matter that you can get a case off a 68/4500.

but to each their own. it doesn't matter much in the scheme of things. whether a pump, mech, poppit, blow forward or spool; some people like what they like. there is no best gun for the different playing styles. they all send a paintball down the barrel.
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I don't think efficiency has ever been that big of a deal in the woodsball world.
I think its a bigger deal in woodsball than speedball. In a tournament game, you're gonna be playing for a couple minutes at a shot. Any gun these days can shoot a hopper and 3+ pods on a 45/45 and a hopper and 6+ pods on a 68/45, which should get even the most trigger happy back player through a game.

In scenario games where you have on field respawn points and can carry all the paint you can afford, the bottleneck in your capacity is the amount of shots you can get out of a tank fill.
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Old 03-16-2012, 03:11 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I used to shoot a PMR and a DM3 as a scenario marker but found it to be lacking on air efficiency, so I went back to shooting a 'cocker. I think Efficiency does play a part.
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Old 03-16-2012, 10:49 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I use my Vikings in the woods regularly. Screw the rails; they are unneeded complication, weight, opportunity to catch on brush, etc. I just wish I had a Viking with a RipClip. That would be most excellent.

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Hah, my idea of a woodsball marker is anything that isn't one big, bright color. I was just thinking on the marketing angle (cover with rails, paint black).

The need for efficiency is also a function of the field you play. I bought my first used intimidator just for final battles and the fields where the air station is a quarter of a mile from the "hospital". It is real handy, but I still play with an automag if air is convenient.

Poppets can be quiet with the right barrel. I thought the A1 barrel kit was pretty silly until I played with it. It was notably quiet (so I was told). The fly at least has a tiny kick, to the point where I have trouble timing shots on the move (the trigger being nothing either). Bolt maintenance is easy, but the rest of it is pretty intricate. The design asks a lot of the manufacturer.

It's hard to mess up a spool marker because they are pressurized behind the breech, keeping out paint, rain, and dirt. Cockers are pretty bad about that.
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my favorite woods/scenario marker is still my trilogy tactical.
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I think its a bigger deal in woodsball than speedball. In a tournament game, you're gonna be playing for a couple minutes at a shot. Any gun these days can shoot a hopper and 3+ pods on a 45/45 and a hopper and 6+ pods on a 68/45, which should get even the most trigger happy back player through a game.

In scenario games where you have on field respawn points and can carry all the paint you can afford, the bottleneck in your capacity is the amount of shots you can get out of a tank fill.
We're talking woodsball, not scenario. I play woodsball pretty much exclusively and I tend to play hopperball with a 60rd pod in my pocket regardless of what gun I'm playing with (usually S6 or Axe).

Look no further than the Automag crowd for a perfect example of the lack of care in regards to efficiency.

Scenario's are a different beast entirely. I've seen crazy guys wearing SCBA tanks to feed their guns.
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As far as the spool vs. poppit thing I don't think efficiency has ever been that big of a deal in the woodsball world. It is for some but I don't think they're the majority...



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I think its a bigger deal in woodsball than speedball. In a tournament game, you're gonna be playing for a couple minutes at a shot. Any gun these days can shoot a hopper and 3+ pods on a 45/45 and a hopper and 6+ pods on a 68/45, which should get even the most trigger happy back player through a game.

In scenario games where you have on field respawn points and can carry all the paint you can afford, the bottleneck in your capacity is the amount of shots you can get out of a tank fill.
The thing is, we're talking about selling points, not what actually benefits players.
Perhaps even moreso than in the tournament realm, the look of a marker is a huge concern for the milsim submarket. Something less immediately tangible, like gas efficiency is overlooked, even when it should be a much greater concern.
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The thing is, we're talking about selling points, not what actually benefits players.
Perhaps even moreso than in the tournament realm, the look of a marker is a huge concern for the milsim submarket. Something less immediately tangible, like gas efficiency is overlooked, even when it should be a much greater concern.
Great point. Many "Milsim guys" will spend as much adding weight to a marker as "Speedball guys" will trying to shave off weight
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I've also been seeing a trend toward olive green or coyote brown electros making inroads. Same speedball gun, less bright and flashy look. I see that as a positive thing.

With that in mind, I wonder why there isn't more of the "traditional milsim" markers offered in non-black but still muted colors. Some like the TM line have come in Limited Edition options but most I've seen have been custom jobs.

Except for at scenario games, I tend not to shoot more than 500 rounds in an entire outing. By the time I've gone through that much paint. I'm happy, welted, and tired. Ready to pack it up and call it quits. Even with my mediocre efficiency Automags, that is doable with my 45/4500 or even a 48/3000. Efficiency for me is a nice to have but not high on my priority list. Spoolies in the woods are fine dandy.
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