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Old 08-02-2006, 10:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I agree. Last time I was at the local field, I met three folks new to the game that had just dropped $200 each at wally world for shiny red e-trigger spyders. Two of the three were broken by the end of the day. Sad, cause it seemed like it soured the one guy from playing again. I tried to give him some advice, but all he kept saying was "I can't afford to keep up with this crap."
Sounds more like operator error than gun malfunction. My brother keeps his Spyders around for when his Ion doesn't behave. I would be interested in seeing how well the new Spyders work.
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Old 08-03-2006, 04:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Spiders actually rarely fail (at least in my experience). They do, however, seem to come shipped bone dry these days. You should always lube these guys up before you try to use them. Of course my experience is strictly limited to mechanical triggers...I can't stand sear trippers. The quality on those sear tripper frames could be bad. Mech trigger spiders seem to be pretty bulletproof...
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:43 PM   #23 (permalink)
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That is true. The blowback system is pretty much idiot-proof. The VM-68, Tippmanns, and modern spyders prove this. I've known guys who play in the middle of winter, never clean their 98s, and the only things they do to them is put a drop of airtool oil in the bolt slot before playing. Those blowbacks never die.
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Sounds more like operator error than gun malfunction. .
Nope. Was definitely mechanical failure. One tossed the cocking pin and the hammer was going so far back it damaged the rear velocity adjuster assembly. Don't recall what the other problem was, but it required a part to be replaced. They were both lubed prior to play.
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Old 08-03-2006, 07:07 PM   #25 (permalink)
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That last one sounded like he was missing the rubber bumper... otherwise, it couldnt dammage the rear assembly.

As for the original post, sounded formt eh translation that they were re-releasing the EM1.
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Some seem to be miss manufactured, I have had to fix several spyders that the brass set screw that holds in the valve it too tall and rubs the valve stem, not letting the stem/cup seal to be opened, or it wont close all the way. Its and easy fix, about 30 sec with a file, but it doesnt make Kingman seem like they are ready for the "next generation of paintball markers" if they cant keep within a few thousanths tolorance on a piece that can be off probly 1/32 of an inch.
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I agree. Last time I was at the local field, I met three folks new to the game that had just dropped $200 each at wally world for shiny red e-trigger spyders. Two of the three were broken by the end of the day. Sad, cause it seemed like it soured the one guy from playing again. I tried to give him some advice, but all he kept saying was "I can't afford to keep up with this crap."
what the hell? my first marker was a spyder tl and have had very few problems with it ever. i still have the damn thing today, though modding it led to more down time than anything else. the newer spyders may be crap but the old ones i have been around were damn near indestructable.

also, i wont buy anything paintball related except 12g co2's from that store.
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the newer spyders may be crap but the old ones i have been around were damn near indestructable.
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I'll have to agree with this. The old classics and compacts and such were not bad at all. And even with the new spyders, if you get passed the first few games without problems, you probably have a gun that'll run great for life. It just seems to me that an awful lot leave the factory with a defect.

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That last one sounded like he was missing the rubber bumper... otherwise, it couldnt dammage the rear assembly.
Your probably right. I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure it came out of the box that way.
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Old 08-04-2006, 11:49 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I'll have to agree with this. The old classics and compacts and such were not bad at all. And even with the new spyders, if you get passed the first few games without problems, you probably have a gun that'll run great for life. It just seems to me that an awful lot leave the factory with a defect.


Your probably right. I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure it came out of the box that way.
More times than not there isn`t much that can go wrong with a Spyder mechanicaly, but guns coming from the factory in nonworking condition isn`t limited to low end markers. My buddy bought a DM5 new and it didn`t work. He is a Proto dealer and got the marker straight from the distributor. My brother purchased a Wrath and has nothing but problems straight out of the box as well. Did you at least offer the guy with the non-working Spyder $20 right on the spot in true MCB form?
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guns coming from the factory in nonworking condition isn`t limited to low end markers.
Yeah, sadly this seems to be true.This is why I ussually recomend tippy's to folks new to the game, as in my experience they seem to have the fewest problems out of the box.

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Did you at least offer the guy with the non-working Spyder $20 right on the spot in true MCB form?
Since he paid $200 the day before, I don't think he woulda given it to me for $20. Besides, I wouldn't touch an e-trigger with a 10ft pole, but that's just me. I did offer to let him use my prolite for the day, though.

As far as not much being able to go wrong with spyders, I'm not sure I agree. There's plenty that can go wrong on any simple mechanical blowback. Its' just that, by now, we all know what those things are. And any company worth their salt should keep them from happening out of the box
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