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Old 10-10-2012, 10:20 AM   #181 (permalink)
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It does have a spring feed.

I have been trying to build something similar...but the VA on my Tac one is too short!! the 3.5oz wont screw in all the way becuase the burst disk hits the trigger frame! Oh well out comes the files I guess.



Limited paint is the way to go. I started running the Gravity League Tournement rules here in Ottawa (our second tourney is this weekend!) The last one ran well and there are even more signed up for this one. The guys have been practicing with the format in the meantime...



As for pumps. Yes they are still pumps. People can nit pick all they want but at the end of the day if the action still requires a manuall reset...
GA makes flush fit burst discs - truth be told I think I may still have some. PM me an address and I will look and mail you a couple.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:22 AM   #182 (permalink)
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I'm an advocate for low volume recreational play as many know. I also hang out in the field owners section at PBN quite a bit (the largest gathering for field owners anywhere) but I think it's a shame that so many fields are deciding it's necessary to abandon airball fields and catering to tournament play. I understand why they do it, but I just wish tournament paintball could have seen the light and realized they need to create something that was more sustainable. The writing on the wall is pretty obvious when field owners are shutting down their airball fields. What will be interesting is to see how these owners will handle the high ROF, high volume paintball usage on recreational fields when there are no tournament fields to play on. I have a feeling they won't handle it very well and more and more fields will be shutting down altogether. I hope I'm wrong.
The field in my area shuts down airball entirely second and fourth Sunday (the only day for open play) and plays long time limit games in the woods. While no ROF is stated it is commonly known that this is a time to "take it a bit easy".
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:22 AM   #183 (permalink)
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"GUISE LOOK AT MY PUMP SKILLZ I TOOK OUT 30 PLAYERS AGAINST ME ALL SHOOTING WHIZBANG ELECTRONOMETRIC GUNZ"

"ME TOO HAHA ELECTROMOMETERZ SUCK WE'RE THE GREATEST BCUZ WE PUMP"
I find nothing inaccurate about this statement.

Some electro-markers are absolute wonders of engineering, reliability, accuracy, and simplicity of operation (compare an Ion to a Auto-cocker).

By themselves they are wonderful devices, once mated to a standard issue MK-1 dufas however, they are paintball equivalent of using a 747 for a school bus.

There are players who use electros with great restraint, but they are not the majority. Perhaps "Snakesniper" should make the effort to become one of these exceptional players, if for no better reason than to prove all of us pump guys wrong.



Basically, if it takes two hands to make the thing work, it's a pump...

I have always been a fan of limited-paint play. I normally play hopper-ball (50 balls with my pumps, 150 with the semi). I normally only take a pod out with me when I know it will be several games before the group returns to the staging area. When I play senario games, I usually need to sit down after emptying a hopper anyway (more walking between instances of shooting). I find the whole limited-paint-play concept to be very satisfying, and it tends to focus my mind a bit more.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:26 AM   #184 (permalink)
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.. I understand why they do it, but I just wish tournament paintball could have seen the light and realized they need to create something that was more sustainable....
I recall more than few owners saying "not worth the effort" when they pulled the plugs on their air ball fields. e.g, "more sustainable" might be a hair misleading. maybe lower maintenance, less head-ache, easier to manage, self-sustaining, less-disruptive etc.. ooops - I think we may be headed OT. My B.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:24 PM   #185 (permalink)
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yes they are. here rule to follow if use a hopper you are open class pump by rules. same goes for quick changers and if you at your gun even you have no more then 15rounds rules stated back in day. only pgp or p68sc where true stock class pump games. as long as gun pumps its pump gun.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:30 PM   #186 (permalink)
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There are players who use electros with great restraint, but they are not the majority. Perhaps "Snakesniper" should make the effort to become one of these exceptional players, if for no better reason than to prove all of us pump guys wrong.
I am an electro player who uses restraint. I shoot semi 99% of the time, and I've never bonus balled someone who didn't deserve it.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:44 PM   #187 (permalink)
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I am an electro player who uses restraint. I shoot semi 99% of the time, and I've never bonus balled someone who didn't deserve it.
Yeh. Whenever I have acted inappropriately I have justified it in my mind.
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:29 PM   #188 (permalink)
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I am an electro player who uses restraint. I shoot semi 99% of the time, and I've never bonus balled someone who didn't deserve it.
Commendable!

Now perhaps you will show similar restraint on this forum.

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Old 10-12-2012, 06:39 AM   #189 (permalink)
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yo guys.. back on topic please. I think this is a great thread that hits on a lot of good points.. lets not ruin it please.

If I recall correctly: topic = current pump guns.

salient points: AT = ROF = Not true pump. Electronic frames, pneumatic valves, rotors & ilk = moving away from true pump.

is pneumatic assist a pump?


Are the newest pump markers even "pumps" anymore?

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Now to stir this pot I offer this vintage porn:


Super smooth pump stroke. I mean < 0.000000000000000001"
And just look at the sticker and the pump handle! I'm mean, that makes it a pump.. right?
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:25 AM   #190 (permalink)
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yo guys.. back on topic please. I think this is a great thread that hits on a lot of good points.. lets not ruin it please.

If I recall correctly: topic = current pump guns.
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salient points: AT = ROF = Not true pump.
YES, AT=True pump. Perhaps not "PURE" pump or Stock-class pump, but it's still a pump.

Electronic frames, pneumatic valves, rotors & ilk = moving away from true pump.
I can go along with that. But I will state that if the bolt must be manually cycled every shot, then the advantages of Electronics and pneumatically operated valves do not add up to a whole lot (improved efficiency really matters in stock class where electronics will be banned - in open class you can run a CA and shoot all day).

is pneumatic assist a pump?
NO. The bolt must me MANUALLY cycled in order to load a ball prior to each shot for the gun to be a pump. If pneumantic-asist is a pump, then Autocockers and Blazers would be pumps.

Are the newest pump markers even "pumps" anymore?
Mostly...
It may be a good idea to start with "What is NOT a pump", and work from there.

I would say, "Any gun which requires only the single pull and release of the trigger to shoot and load a paintball". If a gun does not do this, it's not a semi and is therefore something else. That something else may be a pump.

It may be a good idea to list a few of the questionable pumps and get the forum consensus.
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