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Old 09-28-2012, 02:13 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I'd say high end is not purely a measure of performance but also of build quality.
The problem is, particularly in America nowadays, there aren't a whole hell of a lot of people left who know what craftsmanship and build quality look like. Because so few people know HOW to build something they can't understand the love and skill and time it takes to design and build something well.
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:20 PM   #102 (permalink)
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And that's what we buy Japanese but even they are getting iffy.
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:40 PM   #103 (permalink)
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For me, it is a measure of what I want.

Right now, I have two guns: A 2012 G6R and a Species Intimidator.

Snobbery doesn't come in to it. I am just as apt to tell someone that bought a Tippmann that they bought a great gun and why as I am to drool over the Latest and Greatest.

For me, being behind the counter, it is about seeing someone get the gun they want, and making them happy with their purchase.

And, that is where the Axe comes into play. The problem that I have with the Axe is not that it is a mid level gun or its performance, but rather that Empire advertises the Axe as the same gun that pro teams use to win major events. Yes, they might look similar, but the "Pro" Axes are modded to hell and gone. Boards, grips, bolts, springs, feed necks, etc.

That is my major problem with the Axe as it is sold. If they offered a "Pro" build for general consumption, or released an upgrade path for it: i.e. "Add components X, Y, and Z to get the gun XSV uses," then I might jump on board.

The other thing that I noticed among non-a-hole-ish high end owners is that we tend to let less experienced players run a game or two with our guns. One, it might wake in them an appetite to really get into paintball. Two, it builds the community. Three, I work (kinda) at the shop, and maybe they will come in and buy something there.

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[YOUTUBE]For me, it is a measure of what I want.

Right now, I have two guns: A 2012 G6R and a Species Intimidator.

Snobbery doesn't come in to it. I am just as apt to tell someone that bought a Tippmann that they bought a great gun and why as I am to drool over the Latest and Greatest.

For me, being behind the counter, it is about seeing someone get the gun they want, and making them happy with their purchase.

And, that is where the Axe comes into play. The problem that I have with the Axe is not that it is a mid level gun or its performance, but rather that Empire advertises the Axe as the same gun that pro teams use to win major events. Yes, they might look similar, but the "Pro" Axes are modded to hell and gone. Boards, grips, bolts, springs, feed necks, etc.

That is my major problem with the Axe as it is sold. If they offered a "Pro" build for general consumption, or released an upgrade path for it: i.e. "Add components X, Y, and Z to get the gun XSV uses," then I might jump on board.

The other thing that I noticed among non-a-hole-ish high end owners is that we tend to let less experienced players run a game or two with our guns. One, it might wake in them an appetite to really get into paintball. Two, it builds the community. Three, I work (kinda) at the shop, and maybe they will come in and buy something there.

This is more what I am about when it comes to high ends:
[YOUTUBE]For me, it is a measure of what I want.

Right now, I have two guns: A 2012 G6R and a Species Intimidator.

Snobbery doesn't come in to it. I am just as apt to tell someone that bought a Tippmann that they bought a great gun and why as I am to drool over the Latest and Greatest.

For me, being behind the counter, it is about seeing someone get the gun they want, and making them happy with their purchase.

And, that is where the Axe comes into play. The problem that I have with the Axe is not that it is a mid level gun or its performance, but rather that Empire advertises the Axe as the same gun that pro teams use to win major events. Yes, they might look similar, but the "Pro" Axes are modded to hell and gone. Boards, grips, bolts, springs, feed necks, etc.

That is my major problem with the Axe as it is sold. If they offered a "Pro" build for general consumption, or released an upgrade path for it: i.e. "Add components X, Y, and Z to get the gun XSV uses," then I might jump on board.

The other thing that I noticed among non-a-hole-ish high end owners is that we tend to let less experienced players run a game or two with our guns. One, it might wake in them an appetite to really get into paintball. Two, it builds the community. Three, I work (kinda) at the shop, and maybe they will come in and buy something there.

This is more what I am about when it comes to high ends:

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Old 10-02-2012, 04:37 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Breg, you just posted the same thing about three times. Might want to edit that post down.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:17 PM   #105 (permalink)
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The other thing that I noticed among non-a-hole-ish high end owners is that we tend to let less experienced players run a game or two with our guns. One, it might wake in them an appetite to really get into paintball. Two, it builds the community. Three, I work (kinda) at the shop, and maybe they will come in and buy something there.
This x 1000. For me since I mostly run pump markers I do find that if I loan out say my palmerized PG which is high end SC or say my phantom for example lots of people that have tried them have come back weeks later with a phantom or traccer or something else that's at least pump if not SC pump. At some of the fields I've played at (now defunct) I was known as "that guy with the shiny pistol" referring to my pg since when I played indoor with it it was an absolute headshot machine. With that said since I know most of the kids that played there I had no problem loaning it out for a game. pop a fresh 12g in for em give em 5 tubes of paint and they went to town. I also like the fact that when newer people try out markers they treat them with respect. Never once did any of the markers I loaned out for a few games come back filthy or full of sand at the indoor or what have you.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:34 PM   #106 (permalink)
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The problem is, particularly in America nowadays, there aren't a whole hell of a lot of people left who know what craftsmanship and build quality look like. Because so few people know HOW to build something they can understand the love and skill and time it takes to design and build something well.
^^^^^^^ Couldn't have said it any better myself. I doubt anyone could actually...
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Old 10-06-2012, 03:39 AM   #107 (permalink)
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imho the basic axe is no high end, but if you put a little work, board/bolt/spring it will become really nasty...

compared to cars it is like an mercedes E500 Touring, unmodded a really great car for everyday use, but maybe a little to much power for the city. some tuning and skill and you are able to hunt down porsche's
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imho the basic axe is no high end, but if you put a little work, board/bolt/spring it will become really nasty...

compared to cars it is like an mercedes E500 Touring, unmodded a really great car for everyday use, but maybe a little to much power for the city. some tuning and skill and you are able to hunt down porsche's
Did you just use an analogy that required us to accept that a Mercedes E500 was not high end?
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a high end mercedes would be the S series, E series are some better than middle class, but not real high end. seen only in stock configuration, without tuning (amg, brabus etc...)

if you really mean high end, it would be something like a maybach, bentley, rolls royce or aston martin ...
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Once you start getting into cars like that if you cN afford a car like that but not a driver than you can't really afford that car. Because if I see you driving yourself in a royce im gonna laugh at you
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