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Old 11-01-2012, 08:11 PM   #21 (permalink)
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It sounds like cocker is the way to go here. The parts are cheap, there are lots to mess around with, you'll learn how to time them if you haven't yet, and you can set it up however you want. It doesn't take any milling or modification, and when you're done it should be pretty reliable. There's a dozen of every kind of part, and fun to just mess around with on the bench. Once you know how to time a cocker, or even just how to set it and walk away, you're set. You can mess around for while with parts and a set of wrenches and be happy.

Mags aren't tinkerers guns for a reason. There's just not much to them. In most cases that's not a bad thing, but for the OP's purposes, I don't see it as what he's looking for here. And if you haven't shot a nice slider yet, I'd recommend giving them a try. They're different than any other trigger out there.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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All good choices, but building a Timmy would be my choice. Tons of parts on PBN or IOG. Lots of options
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And if you haven't shot a nice slider yet, I'd recommend giving them a try. They're different than any other trigger out there.
That's why my Mag has a slider.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:37 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Earlier this summer I played with an ecocker for a few months and loved it...

Time to build one of my own.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:07 AM   #25 (permalink)
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To me cockers and mags are fun and relatively cheap projects.

Angels can cost a lot if you need the board, solenoid or specialized tools
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.... I think the art of a build is slowly dying and I am happy when I see someone with these ambitions. ..
^ +1.. IMO: this is a big part of "the game" that many folks deny themselves by buying off the shelf.

OP: u considered restoring / customizing a pmi-3 / vm68?
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:25 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:16 AM   #28 (permalink)
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OP: u considered restoring / customizing a pmi-3 / vm68?
I haven't really considered it but the reasons I wanted to decide between an Angel and Autococker is because I've never owned, played with, or even seen an Angel in person and the reason I was considering a cocker is because they seem like a gun that I could assemble in a day and tinker with quite a bit.
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Mags aren't tinkerers guns for a reason. There's just not much to them. In most cases that's not a bad thing, but for the OP's purposes, I don't see it as what he's looking for here. And if you haven't shot a nice slider yet, I'd recommend giving them a try. They're different than any other trigger out there.
Mags are absolutely tinkerer's guns. The perception is not a fault of the gun, it's a fault of the tinkerer.

Being simpler means it is a far better platform to extend and build upon.

I mean, if you wanted to, I'm sure you could put a clacking back block and a second stack on an Automag if you really thought it would give you something meaningful to tinker with.
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Could not disagree with you more there, especially if you want to do it on the cheap. You have essentially 3 valves types, one if you want to stay below 100 on it. You have about 3 body types if you don't want to run over 100. There isn't a lot to change out in terms of operating systems in a mag. There are really only a couple frame types that are bolt on, again, unless you want to spend a ton or mod the parts, which the OP again said he didn't want to do. They beauty of a mag IS it's simplicity. Most trained monkeys could build a mag with very little effort, and that's a positive in terms of design and function, not so much in terms of tinkering.

Mags do have a lot of options, but not many that are cheap and very little that are functionally different if you don't want to get into complexities of building a frame out, which is what the OP specifically mentioned. If you have any mechanical skill, a mag build should last about 30 minutes if you aren't going Pneu or EP on it. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has built a pnuemag, Egomag, RT'ed mag, and shot one for about a decade. Again, fantastic engineering but not what the OP seemed to want in his postings.
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