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Old 11-20-2012, 04:04 PM   #31 (permalink)
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They realized what the car industry realized in the 50's. Make constant changes to a product so people will rebuy it later on because the old one will look outdated. Apple does it with their iphone as well. It is a good business model if you can keep updating things just enough to make people think there is a decent change....and over time the little changes do add up to large changes.
Yes and no. From what TK ever posted when he and Bud Orr were competing they saw it as "growing the pie". That is to say that they could sell to todays players and the market would expand and they could sell to different players tomorrow.

I think that the new era we are in realizes that the pie is no longer expanding. That means you are forced to fight for larger pieces or "redefine the pie" every year.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:44 PM   #32 (permalink)
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They realized what the car industry realized in the 50's. Make constant changes to a product so people will rebuy it later on because the old one will look outdated.
-To be fair to the car industry, there was an actual, consistent turnover whether or not they had brought out a new model.

In the 50s, a car was damn near worn plumb out by the time it hit 60,000 to 80,000 miles. By the 60s, a car might go 90K before something major failed- and in both cases, that assumed a regular and frequent upkeep. Bias-ply tires only lasted a few years before they went bald, points ignitions needed tweaking or replacing sometimes several times a year, that 60K mile car might be on it's third clutch, etc. etc.

So many people would buy a new car every 3 to 5 years anyway. A lot of people still do it today so they keep the factory warranty just in case some major and horribly expensive part breaks down.

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Old 11-20-2012, 04:49 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I have had every ego from 05-11. The 11 has a great feel in your hands but to tell the truth I got as many kills with my old ion.

The marker don't make the player the player makes the marker in his hands do its job.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:31 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Guys, I think Angels are the worst at this game.

How much does an 05 Angel go for now? Howbout one from 2000?

I'm guessing like... 15% of what they retailed for.
The 2005 Angel Speed (lowest price Angel of all times) at 950.00 still goes for 175-225. Not as bad as the ego numbers Carter came up with.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:29 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Time is money.

Cocaine is money.

But is cocaine time?
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:11 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Time is money.

Cocaine is money.

But is cocaine time?
Cocaine allows you to borrow time and lets you have fun earlier, but it collects it back when you crash. It all balances at the end of the day, you never profit.

As for the ego pricing...it's a perfect opportunity to snag one for below market value and play with it until it dies. Since they will plateau eventually assuming that PE will continue to supply the parts (even though blowing out a noid costs almost 50% of gun at this point) The average rec player who snags one and that plays casually will never torture the limits of the gun like a tournament player would, allowing them to keep it for years on end.
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:48 AM   #37 (permalink)
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"...to go home at night and have to work on a gun would be really frustrating for me..."

...but, but, that's half the fun...
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"...to go home at night and have to work on a gun would be really frustrating for me..."

...but, but, that's half the fun...
Yeah, I got a good laugh out of that. Definitely a different mind set than I have. I just imagined picking up that guys used marker down the road. Just being horrified at it's condition, never maintained, covered in paint, ect... I just got shivers down my back, ugh.
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Yeah, I got a good laugh out of that. Definitely a different mind set than I have. I just imagined picking up that guys used marker down the road. Just being horrified at it's condition, never maintained, covered in paint, ect... I just got shivers down my back, ugh.
Simple basic rule of thumb for used electros is never buy a "pro owned" marker. This happens all the time actually. Maybe that's why I'm so lazy with cleaning my ego... >_>
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I learned that the hard way when I bought my purple and white Ego8 used. When it arrived, it was saturated in paint. The guy I bought it from, somehow managed to get paint on the outside wall of the Solenoid block. Something that would actually getting hit while the frame was actually removed from the gun.

Also, it came to me with the 2 piece barrel fused together and toolmarks INSIDE the Breech end of the barrel where the previous owner had stuck a pair of channel lock pliers into the barrel in an attempt to take the barrel apart.

A thorough cleaning and a freak kit later I thought I was all set. Then I got it in the field. the tension spring on the bolt pin was shot. So I gave it to my guntech to replace the spring and tune the gun up. When I returned I found a bent manifold shaft and what appeared to be two shredded o-rings on the counter next to my gun. The tech asks me "So other than the bolt pin, you said the gun was working?" I answer Yes and he responds with "I don't know how that's possible, since I just pulled that manifold shaft out of it and these" *pointing to the o-rings* I ask him if those are the Ram rings, he then tells me that the shredded o-rings are actually what is left of my QEV diaphragms. There was no way that the gun should have cycled, let alone shot. But somehow, it did.

As for people who wonder what is so great about the Ego 11 compared to the 08. It really comes down to improvements to the overall design of the gun from generation to Generation. Mostly for finetuning to the player, but in a few cases, as an improvement to the functionality or overall reliability, such as doing away with the QEV diaphragms all together, to cut down on the need to replace them.

I've owned most generations of the Ego, and I have to say, as someone who likes to tinker and finetune the gun to my preferences and play style. The 11 is the best generation. As far as reliability of the platform goes, that demon posessed purple and white 08 takes the win there, even with catastrophically damaged key parts, it was still shooting, and a worn out spring for the bolt pin was what finally put it in the hands of a tech.
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