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Old 12-04-2012, 05:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Or you could just accept that the marker you have is below average for some obscure reason or another and you are more than justified to buy another one!
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I would use the model 98 as a yardstick. That and the Spyder seem to be the accepted standard. Something worse is considered almost unusable, and something better is nice, but not absolutely necessary.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:14 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:16 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I agree. I like a scale based on 17 myself. This will give you a 70% more accurate answer.
Studies have shown that when using a base 10 scale that people tend to rate higher than any other base scale.

7/10 or 70% is considered mediocre at best, but that would mean that 70% of products are worse. So how can 7/10 be the mid point? For what ever reason people find it very hard to score honestly on a base 10 scale.

This is the very thing the OP is complaining about, is how meaningless numerical scores are.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:15 AM   #15 (permalink)
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There are far, far, too many variables, plus personal preference and oddities, for this to have any meaning at all.

To illustrate:
1. Nelson vs. Sheridan
2. Automag vs. Autococker
3. DM vs. Eclipse

...I mean, good luck sorting out all those arguments to find the perfect middle-of-the-road benchmark.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:24 AM   #16 (permalink)
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The scale is irrelevant. Could be 4 stars, 100 points, or even an aggregate average of thumbs up/thumbs down. But in the end it's meaningless with out a starting benchmark.

So I was leaning towards the Model 98, or I guess 98 Custom Platinum is the current incarnation. Universally common, even though I currently believe the average to be a bit above it's level, but availability is very important. The benchmark is rather arbitrary anyways.

So hypothetical test. Lets say we want to score "smoothness". I could rig up something to use the accelerometers on my Ipad to get measurements of a gun firing. Now I can't measure every gun, but someone else can rig up something similar. Their testing rig won't be identical to mine so their numbers will be totally different. But we have our benchmark. We both test the same type of gun initially and that lets us adjust the numbers to match. At least that's the theory.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:28 AM   #17 (permalink)
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There are far, far, too many variables, plus personal preference and oddities, for this to have any meaning at all.

To illustrate:
1. Nelson vs. Sheridan
2. Automag vs. Autococker
3. DM vs. Eclipse

...I mean, good luck sorting out all those arguments to find the perfect middle-of-the-road benchmark.
Preference is irrelevant, if you think about it numerically. Plenty of stuff I prefer to use even though I firmly believe other stuff could be considered empirically better.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:47 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Don't people generally rate the condition on a scale. If so then you would need to set a baseline for wear. As in how much wear/marks/dings/scratches are normal for a gun X years old.

If you want to find a baseline gun I would think you would need one from each category, SC, pump, mech and electro. A baseline electro is in a much different category than a baseline pump or SC gun.
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You want scale of 2. Majority of the people rate maximum or minimum anyways.
I like a scale of 3
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If you want to find a baseline gun I would think you would need one from each category, SC, pump, mech and electro. A baseline electro is in a much different category than a baseline pump or SC gun.
Not necessarily. Depends on what aspect you're testing. Obviously rate of fire, but the "light for a blowback" trigger on a M98 gives you a surprisingly middle of the road rate of fire, 6-8 bps depending on the person. Now an autotriggering CCM ends up just a bit slower, on the grand scale it would be a 4 compared to the M98's 5. Now in other categories the CCM will blow the M98 out of the water. This is useful information.
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