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Old 01-09-2013, 05:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Very few regs output above 600psi, and even fewer can handle CO2. Stab is your best bet.
Agreed. Most of the suggestions are HPA only regs and don't run that high. The sidewinder might be an option but not if you're going to run Co2. Another option would be to dig up an older high pressure reg that was co2 friendly. Something like the AA Vigilante or Black ice. The ANS GX2 might be another option.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:28 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I ruled out a female Stab a long time ago because generally, I find them aesthetically displeasing--this is my personal preference. It didn't occur to me to use a female Stablizer with the expansion chamber in place, basically making it a gas-through foregrip. I'll have to look at photos and decide if I like it, but I'm intrigued.

Technically: with HPA, the expansion chamber would cause neither harm nor benefit, but with CO2, it would still help mitigate any liquid that managed to get past the Stabilizer--right? How do the Palmer's mounts work for those of you who use them? They look wobbly and unstable to me.

If all that checks out, I may just go with the female Stab. Plus, I have a gift credit to Palmer's, so that's nice.

The CP regs look nice; I like the new lines for the 3rd generation, plus they're inexpensive. The product description is, however, next to worthless. No specs at all. (I know I can order a Stablizer to handle up to 1200 psi.) No word on C02 compatibility. If I get good answers and decide to go this route, I will probably use a drop forward to shorten the gas line (again, aesthetics).

I could just save the expansion chamber & ASA rig and swap it back and forth with a regulator & drop rig, depending on the day's available gas. Both could be unbolted from the grip and uncscrewed from the vert air adapter easily enough. So, if someone on here can let me know if the CP can feed a 98, I'll add that to my short list, too.
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Old 01-09-2013, 06:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
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A Cp can handle a 98 but no Co2.

The only regs that can handle both that I know of are
Stabilizers, MaxFlo's, Tippman HPR's and Spyder bottomline HPR's. thats about it for that
can handle both and keep your 98 the way you want it.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Since you're putting a regulator on there, you can open the 98 "velocity adjuster" (that's almost a misnomer; it's more like a velocity randomizer) all the way open.

If there is a cheap way to lower the operating pressure of the 98 even further to widen up the choices you have in regulators, it might be worth looking into.

I believe the old WGP autococker regs were CO2 tolerant as well; can't recall their max output pressure.

Azodin Inline reg is also CO2 tolerant but can't be turned up much past 500 or so in stock form.

It sounds like what you may be after is a SP Vertical Max-Flow with the high pressure kit and kung-fu grip.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:55 PM   #15 (permalink)
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The stockclasspaintball.com sticker was supposed to be ironic. I got it at Castle in 2003ish. The old Reloader never worked too well with the RT (I found my style was suited to a regular gravity loader, RT'ing a stack of balls at a time), but has found a good home on my 'new' 68 Carbine. The Halo is new, but back in the old days I experience heaven with a pre-Empire Halo B borrowed from a teammate, with full RT. The barrel is also new; I had an 18" 32 Degrees-brand Boomstick rip-off, because longer is better right?

A little background: my team, the Crazy 98s, play scenario, mostly EMR, although I'm trying to get in at least one good road trip to a big field we haven't been to yet, maybe Hells Survivors or Waynes World. We were active in 2003-2006ish, fizzling off with college & life, until making a comeback with Most Valuable Group of Exploited Workers (MVT) at Quest last year.

Our team name is a tribute to the first 'good' gun that a lot of us owned, post-Talon/Stingray. So it's important to me to get this baby cleaned up. I'm thinking a powder coat and a slight adjustment towards a more speedball style, with some shiny Lapco hardware.
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Technically you want the expansion chamber installed upstream of the regulator when combining them in a marker set up. If you install the expansion chamber downstream of the regulator the chamber will cause the CO2 to expand further and it will negate the purpose of the regulator. Now you can get a gas-thru grip to run with the regulator since the air passage is around 1/8" ID all the way from the bottom where the air fitting attaches to the top where it is threaded for the ASA threads.
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Air America Armageddon or apoc. Idk of they go to 800 tho

Nvrm if your only doing c02
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:25 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Here's another vote for either using a Palmer's male stab as your foregrip (replace the expansion chamber with this), or using a female stab as your bottomline ASA. Palmer's stabs are high quality and can handle CO2 as you know, and they're very consistent. Tippmann guys (98's, A5's and X7C's) have been using them for years and have always recommended them.

If it were me, I'd use a male stab to replace the expansion chamber because, if the stab is working, then there's no liquid CO2 getting output in the first place. Then I'd still replace the bottomline ASA with a nice venting, on/off ASA like a CP direct mount, Hybrid, or POPS.


And, as mentioned, after your regulator/stab is in place, do the mod to eliminate the FVA and set your velocity by using just the stab.
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I picked up a male Stabilizer. It looks quite good, and with a nice shocktech drop, the tank OS comfy and gaslines are not ridiculous... except, I noticed the Stab's gage was catching a lip on the cast receiver and not quite seating fully. Fixed that by disassembling, screwing the stab into the vertical ASA and reassembling. Problem is that the input is now oriented forward.

Gah. Nothing is simple. This screws up hose routing. I have a perfect length of braided hose, but not in this position. Macro could be done but will look like garbage. Thoughts?

I considered this possibility when I bought it; figured in a worst case I could find another use for it, but I'm quite fond of the set up, if only I could adjust the input's orientation.
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It's not a big deal, the reg doesn't need to be fully seated into the vertical ASA to seal and function. Just unscrew the reg one half turn, install hoses and gauge, and you're good to go. When the gun is gassed up the pressure will tighten up the reg and it won't feel loose at all.

If you want to be anal about it, drop an o-ring into the ASA before screwing in the reg. It should bottom out against the o-ring.
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