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Old 02-01-2013, 02:09 PM   #81 (permalink)
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That's exactly what they used to do, and Ivan tell you that the entire local community had a good laugh. They used to flat out refuse to take the field with any "speedballer", which by their definition was ANYONE not dressed completely like them.

Weren't wearing BDUs? But had a "speedball" jersey? Nope
Shooting anything that ruined "immersion"? - nope (this was basically anything not rap4, milsig or tippmann).

So now they have their own little field, and while it made it easier for us to deal with. They still won't come out to any field that isn't there's, and you're not allowed out on theirs unless you dress like them. It's a ****ing joke. In reality, they don't even play paintball, they drill... But it's military drills. It's very strange.

I said good riddance. Lol
I don't see the problem.

They want to play a different way then you do and they do not want to play with you.

You want to play a different way then they do and don't want to play with them

They play somewhere else than you do so you don't have to deal with one another.

Just not seeing an issue. At this point paintball is paintball and they are not in any way harming you by playing the game they want to play.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:01 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Some good points noted here.

It seems a lot of this has to do with (a) attitude, (b) situational awareness, and (c) culture clash.

It should be made clear that no genre of paintball has a corner on honor or dishonor. There are good sports and lousy sports in every aspect of this game. There are sponsored teams who are an absolute joy to play with, and first time walk-ons who are an absolute nightmare.

I've been apologized to profusely by a sponsored 'agglet' player who accidentally double-tapped me when we shot each other out, and who then apologized again back at the tables. I've watched a 98C rental-toting adult first-timer stand over a little kid huddling on the ground and shoot him continuously point blank in the back and neck until a ref (and the rest of us who saw it) bum-rushed him. It was horrific, and the guy was just standing there laughing as he blazed away, and was totally bewildered at our fury when we pounced on him, having evidently no earthly idea how much pain he had just inflicted.

I've played with agglets who wiped, and those who didn't. Same with mil-sim folk, and same with renters.

Some people have a clue, and honor, and some are simply ignorant, and some simply can't be bothered with either.


Moreover, some folk don't seem to know where they are, and who they are with. If a player is in a tournament with real lucre on the line, then they had better take it seriously. But to then take that same aggressive mentality (which is good and even necessary on the tournament field) and apply it to a group of birthday party walk-ons, is stupid, embarrassing, dishonorable, wrong.

In the same way, if I am a hard-core milsim player and I and my friends are in a military scenario game with other like-minded hard-core milsim players, then it's fine and dandy to dress the part, and play the part, full tilt. You should, in fact.

But to then behave in the same way with the local church group renters is stupid, embarrassing, dishonorable, wrong.

You likely wouldn't show up to work in a football jersey, reeking of beer and buffalo wings, any more than you would show up to a Super Bowl party in a suit, tie, and toting a briefcase.

It's a case of not knowing where you are, and with whom, and then, on top of it, not caring to find out and adapt in order to be a good sport.

If the birthday party players are agglets in training, and want to run full-tilt, then great. Same with the milsim folk. But don't show up and expect them to be just like you, or want to be or, failing that, to have to endure you being that way with them.

So in all cases, the problems that occur are usually when someone is playing with the attitude that the universe rotates around me, rather than taking the time to see who is on the field and how I can adapt my style of play in a way that I can still find enjoyable, but that also serves to improve the enjoyment of other players, even if (shudder of shudders) they play a different style.

At the end of the day, we are playing one of the most perfect games ever devised. A blend of chess, tag, hide-and-seek, capture the flag, dodgeball, and squirtguns. There is arguably more variety in paintball than in most other sports.

There is certainly room for players of different styles to play nicely together, at least once in a while.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:14 PM   #83 (permalink)
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either this, or you get smug speedball teams. you just can't win no matter what style of paintball is in.
Agreed. Our local tacticool team used to be a good bunch of guys back when the team formed about 8-10 years ago but now that the original head is long dead it's just a huge joke of a bunch of 40+ year old fat dudes who can't actually play worth a damn but show up at events and simply hang out for most of the time in their ez up. They also love to talk a big game but I used to play for the other store team (airball) and they challenged us to a game in the tactical town field at the local field and we ran them all night. I have the thought that if you want to act like you're all hardcore milsim then why not get off your fat *** and join the military..... oh wait that's right you're an overweight white guy who smokes and who couldn't pass the physical test if he tried.
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So in all cases, the problems that occur are usually when someone is playing with the attitude that the universe rotates around me, rather than taking the time to see who is on the field and how I can adapt my style of play in a way that I can still find enjoyable, but that also serves to improve the enjoyment of other players, even if (shudder of shudders) they play a different style.
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