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Old 06-06-2013, 08:46 AM   #141 (permalink)
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:14 AM   #142 (permalink)
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Paintball could be the one sport where fatness and man-boobs may help more than hinder.
I'm living proof, ive had bounces off my belly but yet it still left welts... Old age I guess.
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No, the bounces welt more. More direct impact transfer.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:58 AM   #144 (permalink)
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I started wearing a chest protector and arm pads because my kids saw the bleeding welts and bruises on my body and said they hate paintball and wanted me to quit. I personally hate wearing the chest protector because it's gets really hot and is restrictive on my movement and breathing. The benefit is that my kids see that paintball doesn't have to hurt since my bruising is minor now. Both my daughter and son want to play as soon as they are old enough.

The paint that I get from the field is either really good and breaks on contact or is really ****ty practice balls that are prone to bounces and a lot of bruising. I haven't seen any significant benefit from wearing the padding in terms of more lucky bounces probably due to the quality of the paint.

I'd like the manufactures to make smaller sizes for young players. The small size is too baggy on a extra small person and it's too hard to get a break on them. I don't want to over shoot anyone especially a young or new player but if they're staying in because the hits aren't breaking - what else are you supposed to do? They're technically not cheating since they are checking the hits and playing by the field rules. It's just frustrating to need to shoot a player out multiple times especially playing with limited ammo.
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Old 06-06-2013, 04:55 PM   #145 (permalink)
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This also gets me to my last point. Saw it mentioned how someone will go out even if it doesn't break. You may find that honorable, but no one else is doing it. That's why I just play by whatever field rules mandate. That includes whether gun shots/hopper shots count or not.
Honour is subjective. If doing a thing makes you feel honourable then mission accomplished. If nobody else shares the opinion then they aren't your peers. Which is probably why I seldom find myself playing at commercial fields.

Players who pad for bounces are circumventing the basic intent of the game. I wear padding to avoid injury and so I call myself out on a hit since it seems like the right thing to do. I don't demand your recognition of my honour. I'm satisfied to earn that from my opponents on the field. It makes for more friends than exploiting like a douchebag.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:31 AM   #146 (permalink)
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Had people on my field today playing on because they were wearing too much padding/too many layers to notice they had breaks on them.

One of them I got into a serious argument with. To the point where I was just waiting for him to hit me first so I could claim self defense.....also the dude was beating up on the young kids and their parents....today was a just a **** show at my field. I like what the NCPA did for this last season and didnt allow any padding in your jerseys or clothes except for elbow and knee pads and some light padding in the pants (knees, crotch).

I feel this would be a nice thing to enforce on a recreational level, but it would turn away a lot of people should wouldn't even think about playing if they couldn't pad up.
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:23 AM   #147 (permalink)
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Had people on my field today playing on because they were wearing too much padding/too many layers to notice they had breaks on them.

One of them I got into a serious argument with. To the point where I was just waiting for him to hit me first so I could claim self defense.....also the dude was beating up on the young kids and their parents....today was a just a **** show at my field. I like what the NCPA did for this last season and didnt allow any padding in your jerseys or clothes except for elbow and knee pads and some light padding in the pants (knees, crotch).

I feel this would be a nice thing to enforce on a recreational level, but it would turn away a lot of people should wouldn't even think about playing if they couldn't pad up.

All tourneys have padding restrictions though with how big knee and elbow pads have gotten most so not enforce it at all. They do enforce oversized jerseys and covering your pack with your jersey because both of those promote bounces.

I usually wear knee and elbow pads, the empire jersey that was given to me has some very light padding at the top of the chest near my collar bone. I have never gotten a bounce off that padding but my eclipse elbow/forearm pads bounce all the time. During the nppl season I probably took 8 bounces off my elbow pads, mostly from the valken paint that was cheaper then the ultra evil. My fat gut bounces usually to, as well as my knee pads but besides that everything else usually breaks.

Playing tourney ball I male sure it broke before I call myself out.

Practicing for a tourney bounces don't count either.

I can't remember really ever playing recball but when we did the fppl in jersey we played all hits counted and the honor system to enforce it. That worked out very well for a long time, but we were playing with a bunch of stand up guys.

If I play outlaw it would be with close friends and I wpuld be as competitive against them as in a tourney so same logic applies.

I have played a few big games this year and I usually walk out if I get hit close range, I don't feel a competitive drive in this type of game it just doesn't matter if I am out or not. For the long balls from guys who jack their velocity up towards the end of the big game, I played right on through those bounces.

Its all perspective based on what type lf game you are playing. Outlaw with people that arnt close friends I think overshooting and bounce padding seams lame where is the respect for your fellow man? Tourney play do whatever you need to to gain an advantage within the rules.

Big games seem like an entirely different animal that is just to diverse to care if others play with your mindset on the rules. I can say I feel more cheating occurs during big games than anything else I have ever played in.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:32 AM   #148 (permalink)
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This was neither outlaw or tournament ball, nor a big game. This was regular open play at my local field. When the point of open play is just to go out and have fun, how many layers and how much padding is acceptable before it is unfair and spoils the fun of others?

Our field velocity is 290fps, even with **** field paint, it's a high enough velocity for the pair to break on most people - even the fluffy ones.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:15 AM   #149 (permalink)
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This is my take on it:

We have all agreed, at least tacitly, to play the game in a certain fashion. The rules we agree to (often) involve "if a ball hits and leaves a mark quarter size or larger you are eliminated". Now I understand there are various variants on the rules. Playing within those rules is honorable. Adding handicaps beyond that is not honorable, its playing under different rules than those agreed to. Does your teammate who was left alone because you left the field early feel it was honorable? Play within the rules. This is honorable.

Now bounce padding becomes a different conversation slightly. The rules, at least at major tournaments, have been explicit about what is appropriate and acceptable. In my opinion its easier: if you are wearing bounce clothing AS A TACTIC it is skirting the rules and does not seem honorable. If you are wearing it as protection then that is what it is for. The problem is you leave people judging intent. What I know about wearing "bouncey" clothing - it results in you geting hit more often. I remember where a kid wore a down jacket (and it was hot) because he was afraid of getting hit - he simply get lit up as the day went on because everyone knew the balls would not break.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:18 PM   #150 (permalink)
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So honor is measurable then? An absolute? I'm pretty sure it varies from the perspective of culture and even the individual.

Bounce padding as a tactic for reducing breaks on a hit is cheating plain and simple. If you choose to wear bounce padding to minimize injury then you have an obligation to mitigate it's impact on your opponents, or find yourself shunned. I don't think one ought to overshoot regardless of padding, that is almost as bad as wiping...
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