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Old 08-02-2013, 09:34 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It's funny this question seems to come up every few months.

I've never understood why this was called a "RULE". Basically they're saying you're required to ask someone to surrender because you're so close it may inflict more pain than needed, but they are not required to comply and may turn around and shoot you point blank?
I think the surrender rule is more of a common courtsey thing to keep people from being a douche and shooting someone else behind the head excution style or something dumb like that.

Easiest rememdy, get closer and barrel tag, if you don't think you can make it to them then just shoot them. People seem to forget just how close 10-15 feet is, I mean 2 normal body length's is about 12 feet, that's not very far, 3 more long steps and you're already up to them.
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:38 AM   #12 (permalink)
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In a close-up face to face situation, it's all about who your opponent is. If it's someone that I know, or someone that looks like they play all the time (I mean, come one, you can tell right away), I'll just pop em. If it's a renter, I like to retreat to the nearest bunker and finish them from there.
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:44 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Surrender rules cause more fights than close quarters shots do. In my 20 years of paintballing , they are the #1 cause of on field drama, in my experience.
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:07 AM   #14 (permalink)
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^^ this


+ surrendering imo has to be done in a surprise fashion. not face up yelling at each other.

If you are in each others face exchanging paint, and no one backs off or calls them selves out, well you know it will hurt because by now you are pretty close. You didn't back out, you didn't call your self out. It was your decision, you knew what you were doing.

Some times I see people get tired of throwing paint and me and try to just rush me... like I'm supposed to just wait for them to be on top of me and yell surrender or pop one point blank. Then they get surprised when I open up on then and they get hurt. Then that's usually followed by a sincere "I'm sorry if I hurt you, but what where you thinking?"


I try to use the back up and shoot tactic when possible. If it's really not possible and I know I have not been seen, I will call out surrender but you can be sure I'm aimed and finger is on the trigger. Not to be mean, but surrenders have backfired on me more then anything else. So with time, I'm a bit less incline to save other people pain by taking it my self.
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:12 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Surrender rules cause more fights than close quarters shots do. In my 20 years of paintballing , they are the #1 cause of on field drama, in my experience.
I completely agree with this. I have been playing around 18 years and have had some serious altercations revolving around the surrender "rule".

On one occasion at my old home field they have no surrender rules in buildings. I was in a crucial building on the field by myself trying to hold off around 20 attackers. It was surrounded by netting so i could see them approaching. One player attempted to charge up a ramp to get me, but it was slippery with paint. He ran up yelling surrender while at the same time falling on his face. I shot him once then quickly diverted my attention to the other attackers. Since he did not understand the rules he began cursing up a storm saying i was out and that I had to surrender. A ref had to get involved and escort him off.

In this case not only did he not understand that there was no surrendering in buildings, but he also did not understand what a surrender means. You can not surrender a player that knows exactly where you are and has the drop on you by simply running like a madman at them. When I play I try to use my best judgment on if a surrender is warranted. I like how at Viper Scenarios they have barrel tagging which is not optional and surrendering which is completely optional. If I get close enough to touch you with the barrel, you are simply out. Otherwise I will probably put one on your pack and go on my way.
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:17 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Surrender rules cause more fights than close quarters shots do. In my 20 years of paintballing , they are the #1 cause of on field drama, in my experience.
All our field fights have been due to this also so very much agreed.
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:23 AM   #18 (permalink)
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In our surrender rule, you only need to aska player if they want to surrender if they don't know you are there.

Two players facing each other in opposing bunkers do not have to ask one another to surrender. However, at any point, either player can obviously call themselves out without being shot. That way, if someone doesn't want to get shot from close range, they can surrender on their own.
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Asking for a surrender is for when you've closed the gap and the player is unaware of your presence.

Any other time, the option to surrender is always theirs, whether you ask or not is up to you.


I once wound up on opposing sides of a small building with another player, both of our teams were exchanging fire on either side of us, so if either of us advanced, we were going to get shot. I heard him shouting back to his team about covering him so he could get to ME, so I decided I was going to beat him to it. The field had a surrender rule in place, but I knew this was an experienced player, and not a walk-on, so I assumed (particularly after hearing his plot) that this would be a gentlemen's duel and would be taken in good sport.

Well, I went around the building (more like an enclosed trailer with the back door open, he was on the inside, I was on the outside), managed to clear the back end fast enough not to get picked off by his team, and put two shots into his chest/belly on the run before getting ANNIHILATED by the fire from his teammates. I put my hand up and started to walk off, and he's yelling the whole time about the surrender rule. I stopped, turned to him and asked him if he was serious... He was legitimately pissed off, even though he was about to do the same thing to me, and had I taken half a second to say surrender, he would have laughed as I got crushed by the incoming wave of paintballs from the rest of his team.

All this, after he took 2 shots from about 10 feet, and I took about 20 from anywhere from 30 to 80 feet away.

So I agree, surrender rules only ever cause more drama than they solve.
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:38 AM   #19 (permalink)
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where i play, they tend to get a lot of rental groups and children, so the surrender rule is always in effect in the woodsball fields. it is a 10' rule. within 10', you are not allowed to shot at each other. most of the bunkers are 8'x8' huts, so if you are inside or agains t the back of the bunker, you are within 10' of the other side. the attacker had to get to the bunker, bang on the wall and call out for the surrender. Surrender at this field is not an option, if you are within 10' and the other player calls it, you are out.

there are some questionable surrenders here and there, sometimes speedball players might "forget" and turn on you, etc... but for the most part, it works well.

my favorite way to surrender someone has got to be stepping away from the bunker when you know they are coming to tag it, then running back to it and tagging it myself. the refs know whats going on, but the other player usually ends up very confused and walking with a barrel bag on, lol.
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:59 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I'll talk to them about changing the way they describe the rule. Saying if you have the player's back then surrender but if you both see each other coming then there is not much you can do, unless you want to call yourself out.
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