Paintball

[Crash]

Originally Posted by Mr. Furious

Dead men don't talk is cardinal for all paintball as far as I'm concerned.

But I couldn't disagree more about woodsball and speedball being different. A guy doing a dead man's walk is no more deceitful, sneaky or cheating than a spy infiltrating enemy held territory and yet one is scorned while the other is applauded. That's a double standard if I ever heard one and more evidence that woodsballers think their brand of paintball is more righteous than any other brand.

Paintball is paintball.

Paintball is Paintball.....
Very true but they are different and though to me one is not better than the other they do have different rules so this isn't a double standard. It is like softball and baseball they are the same but the rules are not the same....they are different games but have some of the same basics. baseball and softball both use bats and balls in paintball both use guns and paint but the rules are different.

[Mr. Furious]

Originally Posted by Crash

Paintball is Paintball.....
Very true but they are different and though to me one is not better than the other they do have different rules so this isn't a double standard. It is like softball and baseball they are the same but the rules are not the same....they are different games but have some of the same basics. baseball and softball both use bats and balls in paintball both use guns and paint but the rules are different.

semantics - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

[d4rksabre]

Originally Posted by Mr. Furious

OK....Just so I have this straight.....We're talking about a situation where a live player walks from his team's area of the field in plain sight if the other team to the other team's area of the field and then begins to eliminate players from behind.

That's the situation, right?

Explain to me how the kind of field you're playing on determines whether it's cheap or not?

There is no difference at all except for the perception of the people talking about it and that is why it's a double standard. I'm just saying: "Mr. Kettle, Mr. Pot is on line two....." because being sneaky by doing a dead man's walk is the same as being sneaky and being a spy walking into an enemy territory under the guise of belonging to the enemy team.

And, no, I've never been traumatized by anybody on the paintball field. I just hate double standards and prejudice so I try to bring it to light when I see it.

Uh...no, those are not the same things. Scenario games are about role playing. Dead man walking is cheap because if it were real combat dead soldiers couldn't walk. But if a soldier dresses up as the enemy and manages to sneak behind enemy lines, that's a realistic action. Just as if you as a player were able to fool the other team into thinking you were one of theirs. There's nothing wrong with that in any way. It's probably one of the biggest parts of role playing in scenario paintball. You're creating a double standard that doesn't exist.

[Mr. Furious]

Originally Posted by d4rksabre

Uh...no, those are not the same things. Scenario games are about role playing. Dead man walking is cheap because if it were real combat dead soldiers couldn't walk. But if a soldier dresses up as the enemy and manages to sneak behind enemy lines, that's a realistic action. Just as if you as a player were able to fool the other team into thinking you were one of theirs. There's nothing wrong with that in any way. It's probably one of the biggest parts of role playing in scenario paintball. You're creating a double standard that doesn't exist.

semantics - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

[d4rksabre]

Originally Posted by Mr. Furious

semantics - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

What does semantics have to do with anything?

[HurtCow]

Dude, it's just how it is. I've been tagged out by enemy spies before, and I just think 'damn, that guy was sneaky'. Argue about it, but that's how it is.

Just like how in normal paintball, once you're out you sit out the game. In a scenario, you can re-spawn. It's just different rules.

[the larch]

Apples and oranges.

Furious, you haven't been to many scenarios I take it?

Scenarios are more like military reinactments while speedball is more like football. Alot of things are accepted in one version of paintball that would be looked down at in the other. Just try wearing a gilly suit at a speedball tourney.

Scenarios are focused on large unit strategy while speedball is focused on small unit and individual tactics.

With scenarios there is a story. In the story, there are usually characters written in that are worth points. They are often spies.

A good spy doesn't go after barrel tags, he/she infiltrates the opposing team and sends back valuable information to his general. A spy isn't worried about individual eliminations, he is concerned about taking points from the other team.

I once reffed where a spy who was a very well known player entered the field with a plastic talon, brand new cammies, a jt mask with the helmet....he was hysterical and the opposing team never looked twice at him...and never wanted to be near him.

He walked around half of the day taking down flags when the other team wasn't looking. It was hysterical.

One of the keys of being a good spy is planing it and talking to the staff ahead atime so that they won't give you away. A good spy knows which refs to stay away from. If the staff sucks, don't even bother being a spy.

[Crash]

Originally Posted by Mr. Furious

semantics - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Let me try to clear this up a bit.
As posted above scenario is a good bit about role play. As such it takes it's ques from real life. Irl a "spy" is generally a person that works behind enemy lines to gather intel or cause havoc that will aid in any forth coming military action.
If in this context I sneak into the other teams base and report info back to my base or go out on a mission and eliminate the others in the group to prevent them from from doing the mission I have done the job I was assigned to do. Being able to do this does not mean you did a "dead-mans walk". I might have belly crawled half the field, slipped in through a ravine, or just walked up to a group of the other team and asked them which way back to "our" base and sometimes just walked in the front door!
To be a true dead-mans walk you have to to be trying to give the impression you are out without truly indicating it (hand/gun raised, barrel sock, saying out or hit.
Does this make more sense to you.

[Mstrtal]

Here I thought we where all going to have a discussion about how to help refs do a consistent and even job while attending to their duties at a scenario.

Talk about a derail. =P

Back on topic it is generally considered respectful for the player eliminated by a sneaky player to sock their gun and move out of the immediate area before calling themselves out.

[Crash]

Originally Posted by Mstrtal

Here I thought we where all going to have a discussion about how to help refs do a consistent and even job while attending to their duties at a scenario.

Talk about a derail. =P

Back on topic it is generally considered respectful for the player eliminated by a sneaky player to sock their gun and move out of the immediate area before calling themselves out.

True!