Paintball

[Do Little]

You need to understand why the DMW is illegal. It's against the rules to protect eliminated players. Otherwise eliminated players would be getting shot up all the time, therefore decreasing thier enjoyment. It has nothing to do with the DMW being decietful or sneaky.

[CamoDeafie]

huh i iz confuzzled.

DMW isnt illegal. its simply a move where the player isnt haivng his marker up or anything, no sock on it, so on, it takesa very good one to pull it off without being caught, whereas an already eliminated player is suppsoed to have his barrel sock on, gun raised, other arm raised, and in my experience, escorted to deadbox by refs, but sometimes theres no ref around to escort, its when things get little tricky true, however in most games ive been to, there were clear set rules for eliminated players and in some big games, you had to walk directly to the dead box, not take detours or they call penalties...in the indoors, you just walk out into the staging area.

[Daze]

Originally Posted by Do Little

You need to understand why the DMW is illegal. It's against the rules to protect eliminated players. Otherwise eliminated players would be getting shot up all the time, therefore decreasing thier enjoyment. It has nothing to do with the DMW being decietful or sneaky.

No. It is a dead player's responsibility to show visually and audibly that he his dead and remove himself from the playing field as quickly as possible. It is NOT a live players responsibility to act more 'live" just so no one gets confused.

Having said that, if you can't be bothered to check for a barrel condom or hand above the head before you shoot someone you aren't playing safe paintball. Please leave the field until you can show some restraint.

[Heebs]

Originally Posted by thkyle

A couple years back we had a young kid about 12 on our team. We cooked up a plan to send him to sneak as close to the enemy base as he could and then to get up crying and yelling "where's my daddy! I can't find my daddy!"

They let him walk right into their base where he informed them that they were all dead!!!

I have to admit, that was pretty "Al Qaeda" of us to send a kid to do a man's job, but it worked......and we won the game!

Point is that he never called himself out. Showed no signs of being out. No one barrel tagged him. They got suckered in and we got the base, the general and the points. No rules were broken (though there were plenty of protests!)

That's how you play scenario paintball.

Now what if someone shot the kid because he could of viewed him as a spy when he was really looking for his dad? What would you do then? Say the guy was a dick for shooting a kid who was looking for his dad or congratulate him for being smart enough to see that it might be a sneak attack?

[Crash]

Most players I know would have either barrel tagged him or asked him to call himself out. That is how most of us deal with possible DMW's also, not just shooting them.

[Mstrtal]

EDIT: The following was originally attempted to be posted at 7PM in response to thkyle but my cable went out so Foxfire waited until (now) almost 11 when the internet came back on to post!

Thats great!

What sucks is when some one puts a bunch of time and effort into doing something sneaky and then basically screws themselves because they didn't read the rules.

Case in point at a scenario I was at a few years back I was on guard detail at our CP. The XO was taped general and I took a lawn chair and placed it in the doorway and had myself a seat. Now it was legal back at that time to do so. Well after a bit I get a barrel jabed in my back. Hurt like a bitch I poped up and this kid with his gun still pointed at me says.

"Your Dead, I have taken the base!"

Now here is the part about reading the rules. I was not dead nor had he taken the base.

I told him.

"No I am not and no you haven't."

He looks back and forth between me and the ref and in that instance I barrel tagged him saying "Barrel tag your Dead"

I then explained to him that he neglected to say "Barrel tag" and that when you put your foot into the CP you are to say "All Dead"

The ref confirmed this while I and the other 2 people at the base congratulated him on a damn good attempt. He how ever was heart broken.

It appears he had spent over 45 minutes in the drizzling rain to crawl threw knee high grass to blow our base and failed. Here again is why you should read the rules.

To this day I still have much respect for both that kid and the base ref. The kid for pulling off what was almost a perfect sneak and the ref for not giving the kid away. It seems the ref had seen him a while back and was keeping track of his movements and not once did he say or do anything to clue me in. This was really good on his part as we where in the middle of a conversation at the time.

[Tessaract]

how is that not a legal barrel tag? simply because he did not say the words barrel tag?

would like to see a copy of the rules specifically stating that the words barrel tag must be said when performing one or eles its null and void

IMO unless rules specficly state you must say barrel tag when you touch someone then i would confirm you as out if i was the ref. but that part of the element is missing from the story

i mean he was willing to give you a mercy kill. he coulda pulled the trigger when you said you werent dead and shot you point blank.

hell ive walked into an enemy base before, brushed my barrel up against everyone in it while talking to them to try and find out where my own team is then say "by the way, yall are all dead due to barrel tag" and they didnt even realize i was taggin em with my barrel

[pizzaluvr]

Originally Posted by Mstrtal

EDIT: The following was originally attempted to be posted at 7PM in response to thkyle but my cable went out so Foxfire waited until (now) almost 11 when the internet came back on to post!

Thats great!

What sucks is when some one puts a bunch of time and effort into doing something sneaky and then basically screws themselves because they didn't read the rules.

Case in point at a scenario I was at a few years back I was on guard detail at our CP. The XO was taped general and I took a lawn chair and placed it in the doorway and had myself a seat. Now it was legal back at that time to do so. Well after a bit I get a barrel jabed in my back. Hurt like a bitch I poped up and this kid with his gun still pointed at me says.

"Your Dead, I have taken the base!"

Now here is the part about reading the rules. I was not dead nor had he taken the base.

I told him.

"No I am not and no you haven't."

He looks back and forth between me and the ref and in that instance I barrel tagged him saying "Barrel tag your Dead"

I then explained to him that he neglected to say "Barrel tag" and that when you put your foot into the CP you are to say "All Dead"

The ref confirmed this while I and the other 2 people at the base congratulated him on a damn good attempt. He how ever was heart broken.

It appears he had spent over 45 minutes in the drizzling rain to crawl threw knee high grass to blow our base and failed. Here again is why you should read the rules.

To this day I still have much respect for both that kid and the base ref. The kid for pulling off what was almost a perfect sneak and the ref for not giving the kid away. It seems the ref had seen him a while back and was keeping track of his movements and not once did he say or do anything to clue me in. This was really good on his part as we where in the middle of a conversation at the time.

He could have just shot you in the back, how would you have liked that? Just because there are rules doesn't mean that they are good rules... I always surrender when someone says "Surrender or Die", not because I'm a *****, but because I believe it's fair. They could have shot me, but they chose to be nice.

[Tessaract]

Originally Posted by pizzaluvr

He could have just shot you in the back, how would you have liked that? Just because there are rules doesn't mean that they are good rules... I always surrender when someone says "Surrender or Die", not because I'm a *****, but because I believe it's fair. They could have shot me, but they chose to be nice.

good policy mate however dont always expect the same in return, the kid you surrendered too last time might turn and shoot you when you offer it to him the next game

[Clearush]

Originally Posted by Tessaract

how is that not a legal barrel tag? simply because he did not say the words barrel tag?

would like to see a copy of the rules specifically stating that the words barrel tag must be said when performing one or eles its null and void

IMO unless rules specficly state you must say barrel tag when you touch someone then i would confirm you as out if i was the ref. but that part of the element is missing from the story

i mean he was willing to give you a mercy kill. he coulda pulled the trigger when you said you werent dead and shot you point blank.

hell ive walked into an enemy base before, brushed my barrel up against everyone in it while talking to them to try and find out where my own team is then say "by the way, yall are all dead due to barrel tag" and they didnt even realize i was taggin em with my barrel

It is a very clearly defined rule,

GENERAL SCENARIO RULES OF PLAY

BARREL TAG RULE:

Barrel Tag is not an option. Once a player touches you with a barrel and says "barrel tag," you are eliminated and MUST take the walk. No point in pulling the trigger when you have a barrel pressed against your side. Do not HIT a player with your barrel! A gentle tap will do!

When a game is allowed off-gun barrel tags, the barrels are to be no shorter than 10 inches in length. The barrels must be in plain sight (not inside pockets, socks, satchels or bags). A barrel tap must be made on one player at a time, with the words "barrel tag" being said each time by the attacker.

Playing Tip: Thank the kind player for not shooting you at point-blank range, then walk!!!