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[Schmitti]

drg... in three seperate posts now you have stated that if the gun fires unrelated to a trigger pull, what does it matter.... Well it does matter, because at the same time you are saying that your trigger pulls are the only thing making the gun fire.

If you want anything to be valid in this "my fingers can shoot xx bps" argument, then you have to get the gun to only fire when you finger depresses the trigger voluntarily (as stated above by you).

If need be I will go through your above posts, as a smart person, and cut paste and quote all of your contradictory posts.

Again... voluntarily pulling the trigger to get one shot..... exclude shots caused by the trigger reciprocating after a trigger release... exclude shots caused by the trigger reciprocating from movements of the mass of the gun internals... and then you will have one shot per one trigger pull.

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[pump]

but in the vid is there trigger bounce? seems the gun is firing when he actually pulls it and not firing when releasing...also the pulls seem to be lined up with the gun firing

[drg]

Originally Posted by Schmitti

drg... in three seperate posts now you have stated that if the gun fires unrelated to a trigger pull, what does it matter.... Well it does matter, because at the same time you are saying that your trigger pulls are the only thing making the gun fire.

If you want anything to be valid in this "my fingers can shoot xx bps" argument, then you have to get the gun to only fire when you finger depresses the trigger voluntarily (as stated above by you).

If need be I will go through your above posts, as a smart person, and cut paste and quote all of your contradictory posts.

Again... voluntarily pulling the trigger to get one shot..... exclude shots caused by the trigger reciprocating after a trigger release... exclude shots caused by the trigger reciprocating from movements of the mass of the gun internals... and then you will have one shot per one trigger pull.

E

Please point out any contradictions. The only contradictions are caused by an inability to realize that the mechanism by which the gun receives the trigger pull as a firing prompt is irrelevant. You are stuck on the idea that the trigger needs to do something specific to count a finger motion as a trigger pull. It can do anything at all, as long as the finger motion is translated into a shot. Depressing of a trigger a given distance is only one of an infinite number of possible criteria and mechanisms for translating a finger motion into a firing impulse.

Whether a finger pulls a free-standing trigger across its entire range of motion, partially pulls a not fully-released trigger back across the activation point, or even bounces a bottomed-by-the-other-finger trigger to cause a firing impulse, doesn't matter. Those are all trigger pulls.

[Custom Cowboy]

Basically we want to see it in more detail. Much more detail. You can't provide it. So we are not happy. Manike provides us with crazy detail and we are happy. Nobody cares if you don't have the money for a crazy detail camera. All that matters is that you don't have one. This is a little someting that we call life. No one cares that you have a good reason for not being able to do something(I can't run a mile in 4 minutes because I'm quadreplegic= no sympathy), they just care that you can't do it and they will only be happy with someone who can. We can all argue until we are blue in the fingers, but the fact remains that you just can't provide the kind of satisfaction for us that Manike can. As the old line goes, "Its not you, its us."

[drg]

meh

[drg]

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[manike]

drg, have you found a link to a better resolution of the video?

I've got a way to down load the video from Youtube and analyze it, but the results are not clear. I'm hoping analyzing a better quality version of the video will be better.

A bit busy at the moment dealing with some family issues but I'll have more.

Including video that some people have alluded to and that almost every single person I've filmed does... not releasing the trigger and just taking turns for their fingers to hold it down. The Pro's do this too. In fact one who begged I not share his name has gone back to practice his walking technique to try and stop it in the future.

[flyweightnate]

See, THAT'S cool. By "catching" him at high framerates, you let him know he needed to do work. You essentially just became his sports therapist. It's like filming a sprinter, to show what happens when their hips droop, or filming a vaulter, to show that crucial elbow buckling on the lock phase.

I noticed I tend to hold down like you mentioned... the "ego" game online let me know that one. Than I find out holding the spacebar gives a cheater mode... bleh. But I was up to 17 before that.

[drg]

Originally Posted by manike

drg, have you found a link to a better resolution of the video?

I've got a way to down load the video from Youtube and analyze it, but the results are not clear. I'm hoping analyzing a better quality version of the video will be better.

A bit busy at the moment dealing with some family issues but I'll have more.

Including video that some people have alluded to and that almost every single person I've filmed does... not releasing the trigger and just taking turns for their fingers to hold it down. The Pro's do this too. In fact one who begged I not share his name has gone back to practice his walking technique to try and stop it in the future.

I don't have an original of that video.

What is your criteria for a "trigger pull"? A voluntary motion of the finger? If so then isn't a partial release a trigger pull just the same, if the electronics receive a distinct impulse in response to the voluntary motion of the finger?

Let's say for discussion that you had a trigger pull of 2", but the switch only tripped in the last 0.5"? Would pulling with an amplitide of 1.5" be considered 'holding it down"?

[Shane-O]

Originally Posted by manike

Including video that some people have alluded to and that almost every single person I've filmed does... not releasing the trigger and just taking turns for their fingers to hold it down. The Pro's do this too. In fact one who begged I not share his name has gone back to practice his walking technique to try and stop it in the future.

AND there it is.....................

drg, your video cannot show things like that in enough detail, to see if your shooting the bps or if the gun is helping you. If you say your pulling 13bps without gun help, thats fine, but you cant expect everyone to believe you. Your taking it all too personal, lighten up.....................