Paintball

[CamoDeafie]

who said im passing judgement? this is also why a high quality anti-aliased video would be nice, because then i can correlate the VISIBLE appearance of the ball and the trigger finger in a consistent manner. I'm a budding machinist, and one could argue that im very ill equipped to know when the cutter is hitting the metal at a given rate, because i cant hear it. but i can most definitely SEE it and feel it, tho on the web, i cant feel it, so i am not saying that i dont believe that its possible or anything, i am saying that youre telling me that each shot should happen down to the milliseconds of your trigger finger which isnt the case, because it takes time for the cylce to complete. now i dont doubt that a given marker can achieve such rates, what i am saying is Manike wiht his 1000 frame-per-second camera, buttload of data, and so on is more qualified to debate on the topic of the ball shot actually being the result of your finger contacting the trigger by whatever means thereof of of actuating the cycle be it a mouse click, a heavy swing trigger, a RT equipped marker, a pneumatically operated trigger and so on, or if the system is shooting as it should, with a predictable "skip" for each time you contact but does not actuate the whole cycle (in a Blowback, you pull trigger before the sear is set, or after the sear already left, some other markers can do similar, ergo, electros)
what im saying is if i see 2 full trigger contacts but 3 balls going out of the barrel, then the marker is bouncing or the first of the 3 balls are the result of the last trigger pull before the 2 counted pulls. (or say, 12 pulls but i see 13 balls coming out clearly in extreme slow motion with each ball being identified clearly) I wear heaing aids, so that aids me some but computer speakers have alot of static which would be interpreted as aliased or some such because its electronic. i can listen to music if its loud enough, but i may be unable to detect the minutae of the sounds, although if there is ABSOLUTELY no background noise save for the thwaps of the balls hitting a target and the marker's operation, i may be able to detect a rhythm to the system;s operation and detect the "skips" in average.

[drg]

Originally Posted by CamoDeafie

who said im passing judgement? this is also why a high quality anti-aliased video would be nice, because then i can correlate the VISIBLE appearance of the ball and the trigger finger in a consistent manner. I'm a budding machinist, and one could argue that im very ill equipped to know when the cutter is hitting the metal at a given rate, because i cant hear it. but i can most definitely SEE it and feel it, tho on the web, i cant feel it, so i am not saying that i dont believe that its possible or anything, i am saying that youre telling me that each shot should happen down to the milliseconds of your trigger finger which isnt the case, because it takes time for the cylce to complete. now i dont doubt that a given marker can achieve such rates, what i am saying is Manike wiht his 1000 frame-per-second camera, buttload of data, and so on is more qualified to debate on the topic of the ball shot actually being the result of your finger contacting the trigger by whatever means thereof of of actuating the cycle be it a mouse click, a heavy swing trigger, a RT equipped marker, a pneumatically operated trigger and so on, or if the system is shooting as it should, with a predictable "skip" for each time you contact but does not actuate the whole cycle (in a Blowback, you pull trigger before the sear is set, or after the sear already left, some other markers can do similar, ergo, electros)
what im saying is if i see 2 full trigger contacts but 3 balls going out of the barrel, then the marker is bouncing or the first of the 3 balls are the result of the last trigger pull before the 2 counted pulls. (or say, 12 pulls but i see 13 balls coming out clearly in extreme slow motion with each ball being identified clearly) I wear heaing aids, so that aids me some but computer speakers have alot of static which would be interpreted as aliased or some such because its electronic. i can listen to music if its loud enough, but i may be unable to detect the minutae of the sounds, although if there is ABSOLUTELY no background noise save for the thwaps of the balls hitting a target and the marker's operation, i may be able to detect a rhythm to the system;s operation and detect the "skips" in average.

Well I will agree that if you are determining one-shot one-pull without audio data, 30fps is too slow. You usually can't catch visual evidence of firing a rate like that, at that framerate.

Fortunately there is audio data.

[raehl]

Audio data which easily manipulated.

Adding worthless audio data to worthless video data doesn't change that they're both worthless.

- Chris

[drg]

Originally Posted by raehl

Audio data which easily manipulated.

Adding worthless audio data to worthless video data doesn't change that they're both worthless.

- Chris

I thought we already got past the point of calling fake?

[Schmitti]

How many times around are you guys going to chase your tail.... christ this is getting old. I hate to say it AGAIN! but, keep it civil... and try to be productive.

E

[drg]

You might as well unsticky this, as I don't see any more worthwhile info forthcoming from the current parties. Manike may post something after this EMR event.

[Siress]

Woah...since when did we care about ROF? I though that ROF = 'Fast enough' for all values lower than danger.

[noelydeeznutz]

when is the EMR event?

i would like to try this, as i set my all my markers on semi, and make sure there is no electronic bounce, and no mech. bounce.

and ive been able to hit 13bps for an entire hopper.

also, it looks like a ton of replies to a guy who posted his proof, that you guys say its really NOT proof...

you asked for a video, he posted one... now you guys want a BETTER video to prove it...

it IS humanly possible to shoot 13bps for longer than 1 second...