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[manike]

Originally Posted by drg

I won't be there, however in the '05 AO BPS contest, which required an 8 second average, I pulled 13.8, I wonder how hard it would be to sustain that for a few more seconds? It was actually the loader starting to get some skips toward the end that slowed me down ... Next time I'm doing some testing, I'll try to video a full hopper.

My fingers are not particularly fast, either, I can't reliably reach over 15; I've seen some people going much faster ...

I think that AO contest was a great thing, and quite an eye opener for many, but there is one BIG flaw to the test process.

You're measuring the output from the gun, not the input.

There is a PHENOMENAL amount going on with most electronic gun software in how it interprets the date is it receiving and controls the gun's firing.

For sake of my tests and what I hope to do at EMR, let's just say sustained 13bps means that for most of the hopper when not limited by the gun or paint feeding that the user doesn't have any period of a second where there aren't 13 or more times when their finger appears to be intending to pull a shot.

We could even just call it for a 150 shots as determined by 150 trigger pull movements of the users fingers.

In all honesty we don't even need to have paint or gas to do this test as I'm just going to be filming your fingers moving, although we can also include the whole gun and watch shots coming out of the barrel... and that's when things get real interesting sometimes.

Anyone who thinks they are fast and will be at EMR?

drg, for my curiosity, the video is a little bad, but did that electronic cocker have an E-blade? if so... I'm not convinced that your fingers were moving as quickly as the gun was shooting. The amount of mechanical bounce and false activations with some electrocockers when shooting fast is just huge. Sorry, but we can happily prove me wrong if you did decide to make the trip to EMR. I'd be happy to lose the bet to get some good data.

[incynr8]

the only hitch is Manike intends you shoot a line-si advantage.

[amcfall]

Originally Posted by manike

Will you be at EMR? Would you like to prove how easy it is?

I'll bet you ALL the beer/alchohol you can drink for the weekend that you can't sustain 13bps for a full hopper. Your gun might... but your fingers can't...

I'm sorry but I think we may end up dissapointing a lot of people when it's really analysed and not just internet fluff.

I would love to see this also!

Avery

[manike]

Originally Posted by incynr8

the only hitch is Manike intends you shoot a line-si advantage.

I'd be happy to do a pump test too. Will we allow auto triggers?

[drg]

Originally Posted by manike

I think that AO contest was a great thing, and quite an eye opener for many, but there is one BIG flaw to the test process.

You're measuring the output from the gun, not the input.

There is a PHENOMENAL amount going on with most electronic gun software in how it interprets the date is it receiving and controls the gun's firing.

For sake of my tests and what I hope to do at EMR, let's just say sustained 13bps means that for most of the hopper when not limited by the gun or paint feeding that the user doesn't have any period of a second where there aren't 13 or more times when their finger appears to be intending to pull a shot.

We could even just call it for a 150 shots as determined by 150 trigger pull movements of the users fingers.

In all honesty we don't even need to have paint or gas to do this test as I'm just going to be filming your fingers moving, although we can also include the whole gun and watch shots coming out of the barrel... and that's when things get real interesting sometimes.

Anyone who thinks they are fast and will be at EMR?

drg, for my curiosity, the video is a little bad, but did that electronic cocker have an E-blade? if so... I'm not convinced that your fingers were moving as quickly as the gun was shooting. The amount of mechanical bounce and false activations with some electrocockers when shooting fast is just huge. Sorry, but we can happily prove me wrong if you did decide to make the trip to EMR. I'd be happy to lose the bet to get some good data.

Is the slow-motion video not good enough for ya? I'm pulling far under 30 frames per second so you can clearly see each movement of the finger, including those that don't result in shots hehe

I could slow it down some more if you like ...

Here's blazestorm's ridiculous fingers. This video actually blurs out and you can't tell if it's legit, but I'm pretty sure he posted better versions of these a while back (including one with a TV in the background so you can see it's not sped up), and they were legit pulls.

YouTube - 05 lasoya paintball semi fast

[Schmitti]

No manike.... line si advantage.... double action semi with a trigger from hell!

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[incynr8]

Originally Posted by manike

I'd be happy to do a pump test too. Will we allow auto triggers?

no, that's too much like pump-ramping.

however, if someone wants to bet I will have the slowest speed, while actually TRYING to win, I'll take that beer.

[manike]

Originally Posted by Schmitti

No manike.... line si advantage.... double action semi with a trigger from hell!

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My bad, I know what you mean. Even played with one when they first came out.

Originally Posted by incynr8

no, that's too much like pump-ramping.

however, if someone wants to bet I will have the slowest speed, while actually TRYING to win, I'll take that beer.

[drg]

The very best I've gotten out of my non AT pump is 5 bps, but usually I am around 3-4 when shooting 'fast'.

[drg]

Originally Posted by Schmitti

No manike.... line si advantage.... double action semi with a trigger from hell!

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I could never afford an Advantage at the time, but maybe that's a good thing? Still have my unibody Bushmaster though!