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[Deus Machina]

I think it would have to be a two-part test, really.

To rule out the "our gun inherently shoots farther" claim, the barrel would have to be clamped--showing that at a certain angle, at a certain FPS, every marker shoots the same. Motion and angle would be completely eliminated as variables.

But part of the argument, as Flyweightnate put it, would be that the recoil lifts the barrel slightly, putting friction on the bottom of the ball and creating downward lift--a flatline effect upside-down, essentially. A marker would have to be rested, but not clamped, to show whether or not that is actually has an effect.

Of course you couldn't have a limpwristed agglet freely hold it ("borgs kick so much moar than vikings i wouldnt use one if u gave it 2 me lol"), but a rest under the barrel and a loose grip to fire it could solve that.

But it's true that people will believe what you want them to believe. SP fanboys will stick to their BS, anti-SP guys will praise it, and the best we can really hope for is showing the skeptics and newbies the results.

[desertT1]

Originally Posted by russc

In my opinion, clamping barrels is silly, since you are attempting to find a difference in ranges of guns rather than simply isolating a firing system like in the WARPIG open/closed bolt test.

Isn't that some of his argument? I thought I read it in there somewhere. Honestly I stopped reading after a few pages and haven't gone back since. It hurts my head to read some of what goes on there. There are typically a few constants regarding threads like that. 1) science goes out the window, 2) biology shifts and colons somehow appear behind the mouths of too many people, and 3) CP has homework.

I think that CP is being very kind with offering to do an experiment, as are others. I'll wait for the results to pass judgment, but I have a hard time believing the results aren't what most have predicted.

[Harbinger[TG]]

Originally Posted by heinous

Some may say that's not an improvement, but is a problem.

I am one of those people. The main issue is that the majority are coming up as wannabe tourney people with all the bad attitudes, wiping, and aggness.

[lilmatt87]

Do both clamped and unclamped just a thought.

And Harp it,s up to us to teach them other wise

[desertT1]

Originally Posted by Harbinger[TG]

I am one of those people. The main issue is that the majority are coming up as wannabe tourney people with all the bad attitudes, wiping, and aggness.

Which is why the better of the two fields around here has changed hands twice since I started (and since stopped) playing there. The tourny 'i'm-owed-everything' players come in and ruin a fun atmosphere and attitude. I know play renegade because I can choose who I play with and have a voice in the matter.

The original enticement to the other field (which is now a lot further since I moved across town, whereas the other is minutes away) was BYOP as the other field charges more. Now that I am out of school cost is much less of an issue. If I wasn't sick last weekend, I would have played at the closer field for the first time ever. My friends who went said it was a very fun place to play. To me the deciding factor where I play is no longer price, but the environment.

I see more 'done with pb' sales at the other place than I can typically count. These are tourny players leaving for college or just sick of the sport in general. Then you have a site like this where the main focus is on enjoying the game. I can't even guess at the average age here, but the average age at the other site must be 13 and they are just filled with piss and vinegar. The survivability of this game won't happen on their shoulders.

[cockerpunk]

read the thread guys ...

if, the "quasi-science" test we do on sunday shows anything weird, then we have a plan in place. i am in contact with both jack and sean about getting certain guns and test rigs.

however, if there is any difference, it needs to be noticeable while under normal conditions. we first need to verify that the story sean tells is repeatable, otherwise a more scientific test is a waste of sean and jacks money, and my time.

[Harbinger[TG]]

Originally Posted by lilmatt87

Do both clamped and unclamped just a thought.

And Harp it,s up to us to teach them other wise

I do what I can, but there is a point when you just have to think about cutting your losses.

Originally Posted by desertT1

Which is why the better of the two fields around here has changed hands twice since I started (and since stopped) playing there. The tourny 'i'm-owed-everything' players come in and ruin a fun atmosphere and attitude. I know play renegade because I can choose who I play with and have a voice in the matter.

The original enticement to the other field (which is now a lot further since I moved across town, whereas the other is minutes away) was BYOP as the other field charges more. Now that I am out of school cost is much less of an issue. If I wasn't sick last weekend, I would have played at the closer field for the first time ever. My friends who went said it was a very fun place to play. To me the deciding factor where I play is no longer price, but the environment.

I see more 'done with pb' sales at the other place than I can typically count. These are tourny players leaving for college or just sick of the sport in general. Then you have a site like this where the main focus is on enjoying the game. I can't even guess at the average age here, but the average age at the other site must be 13 and they are just filled with piss and vinegar. The survivability of this game won't happen on their shoulders.

I hear ya

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

read the thread guys ...

if, the "quasi-science" test we do on sunday shows anything weird, then we have a plan in place. i am in contact with both jack and sean about getting certain guns and test rigs.

however, if there is any difference, it needs to be noticeable while under normal conditions. we first need to verify that the story sean tells is repeatable, otherwise a more scientific test is a waste of sean and jacks money, and my time.

I thought you were doing some testing tonight?

[RealtorTommy]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

read the thread guys ...

if, the "quasi-science" test we do on sunday shows anything weird, then we have a plan in place. i am in contact with both jack and sean about getting certain guns and test rigs.

however, if there is any difference, it needs to be noticeable while under normal conditions. we first need to verify that the story sean tells is repeatable, otherwise a more scientific test is a waste of sean and jacks money, and my time.

Is this a indoor test or outdoor test?....wind may affect the test....

[Harbinger[TG]]

Originally Posted by RealtorTommy

Is this a indoor test or outdoor test?....wind may affect the test....

If what sean said is true, it won't make a difference

[cockerpunk]

it will be either the evening or morning, hoping for low wind. wind would also scrap the test.