Paintball

[russc]

Originally Posted by Mar

If I am reffing rentals, I let a lot of stuff go.... sometimes I am doubled over with laughter, and can't get the "Player Eliminated" out of my mouth, sometimes it is some kid, 5 seconds into the game from friendly fire and as I check him, my hand mysteriously wipes the mark away.... PBIF, remember?

When it is BYOP/Equipment boys, the attention to detail comes out. Cursed with mediocre eyesight, I rely on size, shell, sound, and movement (twitches and jerks) by the player to make a call.

Favourite of all time:

"I must have kneeled on the ball" <--- this from a notorius wiper I know, I was laughing so hard that he tried that on me, that I couldn't call him out, and as he ran away I had to get up and chase him down....

I don't see many wipers out on our field (urban/woods), but when I do it always seems to be when I'm standing right on top of them. I tell all our new refs that the number one place to catch a cheater is pretty much standing on their head.

One of my favorite moments as a ref was a couple months ago. Mr "Quarter Check" was on the ridge in the same attack/defend style game, I was standing about 10 feet up on top of a house, balanced on the corner of two walls. The other ref yells that the kid below me just got hit, so I look down and yes, there's a big, obvious hit on his left leg. I was about to open my mouth, but then I remembered that I get in the bad habit of saying "don't you dare wipe that" just before players go for it, and I'm left just wagging my finger instead of kicking their sorry butt off the field. So the other ref is yelling "CAN'T YOU SEE THE DAMN HIT" etc, I'm waving him down (as in, shut up! shut up! I got this!), the kid is looking left and right, snugged right up to the house. Just as he thinks he's mister clever and is slowly smearing it off, I got a big sht eating grin and jumped down, landed next to the guy like superman and told him he was booted for the day.

[Talfuchre]

I think a quarter sized mark should NOT count for spray. Direct hits are obvious.

TF

[russc]

Originally Posted by Talfuchre

I think a quarter sized mark should NOT count for spray. Direct hits are obvious.

TF

If I'm reading the rules right, it's just a clause to back up a ref's call with a rule. If you see a mess of paint, but it's up in the air as to whether its a hit or not, you can invoke the quarter.

Spray is usually very obvious.

[Harbinger[TG]]

Originally Posted by Contour

Ok here is a scenario that I'm not sure about but happened to me. A ball broke on the grass or bunker but ricocheted (sp) and landed/went through my hair. I was called out but I didn't consider my self to be shot and would have probably kept playing.

Sounds like me getting called in a tourney because I stepped on one.

Originally Posted by geeman

What about if the ball bounces off the ground then hits you and breaks? Are you out?

Only you dude

Originally Posted by Talfuchre

I think a quarter sized mark should NOT count for spray. Direct hits are obvious.

TF

The quarter for spray is because it is pretty hard to get quarter sized spray and it is therefore a hit.

[VonOrt]

Bouncing off the ground or a bunker is a tricky call. If the ground caused the ball to actually break then it traveled and hit you leaving a mark. Your best hope is the ref actually seen it break before it got to you. Technically it should break on you, not your bunker or surrondings. Most of the time you are going to loose that call, right or wrong thats the way it is. Just like breaking on a branch but still leaving a hit on you.

I think the rule that was quoted states the "being shot" phrase. I do believe that is put in there to eliminate the "Bunker Rub" calls.

As far as quarter size spray.. I have seen plenty of people with a lot more than a quarter size. But being in position and watching them I knew they were not directly hit. Yeah I could of called them, but it was obvious it was spray and not hits. Once again its what the ref sees, or more importantly what he doesn't see. If they don't see you getting sprayed like a car at "Maco" most likely they will call you out if your hand, mask, whatever is covered.. even if you didn't take a hit.

[Talfuchre]

Harbinger,

You obviously don't get shot at by Ultra Evil! Get a half a hopper shot on a bunker over your head (snake) or in a crack pipe - and it will DUMP more and a quarter on you.

No shell - but a TON of paint.

TF

[SSniper13]

I used to think the quarter-sized mark was a good guide, but I've noticed since I've bought my first pairs of "real" paintball pants that even direct hits that I know broke will bead up and look like spray within a few seconds on the knee pads and other "shiny" parts. I've taken to calling myself out if I'm not sure, but it's a bit discouraging to know that I could land a legit shot that breaks, and someone could call it spray with no one the wiser -even me. Even worse, that I may take a clean hit, and look down and not call it because it looks like spray. It's harder to tell with baggy pant legs than it used to be when getting shot in the pant leg meant contact with actual leg too. It smacks of the guys that used to spray their jerseys with scotchgard to get the same effect.

As a ref, I just used to catch the same things Mar mentioned -player reaction, spray, and the sound of an impact. I think that you can generally read the players who wipe versus the ones who play on without knowing better. Field culture plays a big part in sorting out the two as well. In general I'm lucky to play at a field where guys will call themselves out for any good shot -even if they're not sure it broke.

[Raion]

in psp now, if a ref sees it break on you, even if all the paint sprays off .. it's still a valid hit. They really buckled down on that in the pro leagues.

I agree tho, a hit .. regardless of how much paint is a hit.

[Harbinger[TG]]

Originally Posted by Talfuchre

Harbinger,

You obviously don't get shot at by Ultra Evil! Get a half a hopper shot on a bunker over your head (snake) or in a crack pipe - and it will DUMP more and a quarter on you.

No shell - but a TON of paint.

TF

I have been shot at by pretty much everything

Originally Posted by Raion

in psp now, if a ref sees it break on you, even if all the paint sprays off .. it's still a valid hit. They really buckled down on that in the pro leagues.

I agree tho, a hit .. regardless of how much paint is a hit.

Now if they can just stop the wiping

[Talfuchre]

I just think it sucks when you call a quarter - the ref sees the bunker get pounded - the paint spray off - waits for a quarter to appear - and then calls you.

TF