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[PoisonMarket]

Originally Posted by greenmtnphantom

yeah 98's need to be cleaned alot, they have horrible upkeep thats why so many fields have them as rentals

Er, 98s are a pain in the rear to maintain, relative to the SP1. They can keep going on spit and spite, but ease of cleaning and maintenance is not why it's the #1 rental.

Originally Posted by Horizon

One of the markets SP is going after is the rental market. Since Tippmann's are probably the most used rental markers, it makes sense to compare them to them. I have to admit, owning about 150 98's (and needing more) that the prospect of a rental marker that is easier to clean is very appealing.

I like the SP-1, but I don't think they will be able to capture all that much of the rental market, certainly not with an electro. And Tippmann just made those markers so well, there isn't much incentive to switch out the whole stable for a newcomer.

[Chachi]

Originally Posted by Mayvik

SATCO 700?

Touche!

[HP_Lovecraft]

Originally Posted by Mayvik

SATCO 700?

LOL.
On a serious note, most of the early stacked-tube blowback were a pain to clean, especially if you chopped a ball.

The F1 was nice in that you could do it without tools, compared to the VM, but it was not field-strippable by any means. Same for the early Spyders.

At one point we switched to cheaper Spyders to replace our Pro/Lites. TOTAL disaster! Most never lasted a single sunday. The Tippmanns would keep on going, even if they were completely filthy.

That is the reason I think that Tippmann chose not to make the Model-98 easily stripable. In doing so, they probobly felt that it would sacrifice another attribute (ie production cost, durability, usability, etc).

More modern stacked blowbacks are nice, in that you can usually remove the bolt for a quick clean on the field. A big plus. That is obviously harder with inlines. You need some sort of modular breech, like the Pro/lite, or Montneels in order to access the bolt.

[FeedTheDogg]

Does someone have a link to this vid?

[FeedTheDogg]

Tippmann should reply with an add that shows clips from every single day i've been at the paintball field. At the the field I used to go to I'd always see someone with one of those newer shockers messing up and they spend all day trouble shooting their gun (unless they have a backup)

I suppose it is kind of true, Tippmanns suck to take apart. I'd always have something pop out of place right when I was snapping the shells together, like the detent, lol. But seriously, shooting with a decent hopper I never had any ball breaks, EVER. plus my stock 98 custom was pretty damn fast with a penspring trigger spring.

[dauntless15]

i have had a few sp guns . and i hated them even tho they where amazing ly accuret . i love tippmann . therss no doubt about it . im acualy thinking about selling my fully custom automag ule with xvalve and the works and keeping my procarbine . cuz i know it will always work . and i have a 98 thats build to speedball and i know it will always work . and yes they both are anoying to clean compaird to my mag . but for a main pumper like me ? who uses nelson based ? its almost the same time . im fast of cleaning a 98 . and i only do it a few times a year .. and if your renting them ( 98s ) the olny time you have to open them is to replace the bolt or spirng or somehting like that . my freind has a 98 from like the year 98 . or somehting like that . and he was using it at the field and it was shooting so consitstently and no shops and fast as crap . he wanted me to look at it cuz there was ozz comeing out of the breach . so i opend it up and inside the hammer was paint . on the outsides of the bolt area was cacked with paint . even inside the trigger system . so i dunked it in a bucked of water with some soap . cleand off the internals , and put it to gether and there was almost no difference in performance. and thats after 10 ! years of shooting who knows how many balls and sitting in the basement with a cracked power tube and no leaks. theres nothing better than a tippmann . imo. and the act tippmann 98 is even better with anti shop :-)

[Magoo]

Jesus Christ. Chachi is right. That whole "xx . xx" punctuation system you've got going there is almost as annoying as oggfueler's tripple comma thing...

[Phantom63]

Tippmanns ARE reliable. Personally, I like the mech trigger for the feel. The 98's feedneck isn't a bad idea either.
Still, SP (and electros in general) have their place. First time I saw an Ion, I was pretty amazed at how quiet it was.
I'm still keeping my loud, inefficient and heavy blowbacks. At a field where air/CO2 is included with admission, and at scenarios where $15 will get unlimited air, why would I want to trade off three guns to get one used electro?

[THE-SHOOTIST]

Tippmann 98=The AK-47 of Paintball.

Tippmann has little to worry about, they were around long before the Gardner brothers started drilling holes in Phantom barrels and erect nipple-wet dreaming of patent litigation, and will be around long after their demise.