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Old 10-18-2009, 11:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Are you concerned about .50 cal and its affect on the sport ?

So are you ?

At this point, I admit to being ignorant of the benifts of either format but personally, I wish they had left 68 alone. I have 4 guns that I have no desire to convert to .50. In the twilight of my playing years, I have no desire to buy a new gun either. I am concerned about the future though as I dont want my equipment to become obsolete and/or valueless.

I see this .50 cal revolution thing developing in three possible scenarios :

1) .50 cal dies a slow death as its never excepted by the majority of the general public or field owners. Some paint companies recognize the intense loyalty of producing .68 and never let it die in hopes of capturing more sales from the traditional 68 market. Like BlueRay and HD DVD, porn picks .68 and we live happily ever after.

2) .50 cal envelops the sport with paint manufacturers pumping out the stuff like mad. Lets say the price of .50 cal is 75% of .68 and more players are drawn to the sport as its cheaper to play. Diehard .68ers come around when upgrade kits are made for their favourite guns and all new guns are only .50 cal and we soon forget about .68. Field owners see that charging 75% less results in a 25% increase in players to offset lost revenues.

3) .68 and .50 cal coexist as does paintball and airsoft today. The player base fights amounts themselves as to which is superior. The pump players nearly wipe each other out in a perverse battle of evolution. There are more tournaments but their size is smaller as they only allow one format.
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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you forgot a fourth scenario:

4) .50 cal dies a slow death only to be brought back about a decade later by the crooks in the industry trying to make a quick buck.

Oh, wait.... Oh shiiiiii!!!!!

there aren't that many benefits to .50 cal. most of them that were physics oriented and promoted by the Gardners and their cronies have been debunked to death...

the drawbacks though, include the fields having to go through the hassle of chronoing 2 calibers, making sure the right guns are using the right fps, which would mean they have to look at each individual player's gun and ID them. In addition they have to stock both calibers. do you want to do this if you're the field owner? If not, which caliber are you going to choose? the new one with not much benefit or the old one that's already got a large amount of guns out in the market and therefore a large amount of demand for a field to accept that caliber?
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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sorry, but hasn't this been beaten to death already ?
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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we are doing study on our own to prove what people said. you can say something but if do not have prof prove its wrong. its just some speaking their mind. if we prove there wrong we have prof to back it up we where right.
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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2) .50 cal envelops the sport with paint manufacturers pumping out the stuff like mad. Lets say the price of .50 cal is 75% of .68 and more players are drawn to the sport as its cheaper to play. Diehard .68ers come around when upgrade kits are made for their favourite guns and all new guns are only .50 cal and we soon forget about .68. Field owners see that charging 75% less results in a 25% increase in players to offset lost revenues. .
Rick, I thought you would have a litle experience in this department. Do you really think dropping the price of paint is going to increase overall participation?
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:50 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I think some tunes will change when people play with .50 and experience it first hand. People hated to get shot with it "back in the day" because .50 didn't so much break as "drill a hole" as one victim put it....and it really has crappy range.
Seriously though, unless they have some magical ways of making .50 better (and less painful to be hit with) than the old stuff (and all signs point to this not being the case, especially reference Painthappy's analysis threads) anyone with half a brain (excluding most agglets of course) will quickly try it out and discard it in favor of either .68 (YAY!....) or airsoft (Booo!) or another hobby (Boooo!).
I really think, though, that it won't be good for the sport long-term, and that is the real tragedy here.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:03 AM   #7 (permalink)
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No, not really after seeing these test results.

People can't be THAT dumb now can they? .... please tell me they can't be.

...please.

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Old 10-19-2009, 01:45 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Rick, I thought you would have a litle experience in this department. Do you really think dropping the price of paint is going to increase overall participation?
Not really. Dropping the price would only cause people to shoot more and shooting more is probably one of the factors that intimidated many new players from staying with the game.
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:11 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Rate of fire is what pushed people out.... not paint prices.

Beginners at work are more worried about "other people with machine guns" then what were charging for paint. I actually had a customer come up to me and ask if he could rent something faster because he felt out gunned... pretty sure the highest end gun we had out that night was a mini.

The irony is that Smart Parts, the boys in charge of GI-Milsim more or less, are the ones that broke the back of the consumers in the first place. It put cheap, fast, fully electronic guns in the hands of people which pushed the bar higher for the ROF gap. This opened up a pandoras box of sorts because now every one can afford to have the high ROF's of what used to be a sort of "exclusive club" of guns that cost $400 and up... when Ions first dropped they were ORginally 299.99 IIRC later droped to $250....

If you ask me honestly...... The Ion is what brought on this idea of "people cant afford to play any more" due to raising the ROF around already struggleing players. The funniest things are happening lately by me , instead of kids slinging a case a night at work (well atleast the ones that cant afford it) are actually going and buying pumps, shake and bake hoppers (gravity feeds) or in the strangest case...... going hopperless and actually shooting paint at people that was shot at them.

Innovation in the face of adversity.

.50 Cal is smarts parts bandaid for the gushing wound they already created in a market that rather adapt cheaply instead of buying more gear.
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But what if rate of fire is related to paint prices...
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