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Old 11-06-2009, 01:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Those are made by Brocock, I've been looking for one for years, they pop up very rarely at ebay...
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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This is a great idea, anyone do anything like this anymore or is a gone thing. What about the "green" gas in airsoft?
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:38 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The brass bullet type things are from the old Brocock air guns. I used to own several of the pistols and one of the rifles.

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Each round was charged independently with compressed air, and had a valve system in it that was activated when the centre of the "primer" was struck. The cap held the pellet.

Here's a link for how the cartridges work...

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I suspect the new paintball shotgun cartridges are doing something similar.

They were banned in England because they were stupid easy to convert into real firearms and the criminals started doing just that.

Google Image Result for http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1775000/images/_1779349_airguns300.jpg

I've seen re-chargeable 12gs before. I may even have something knocking around in the shop.

I would be doubtful of the number of shots you get if you charge it with compressed air... CO2 gets to around 850 psi (and higher if it gets hotter) but has better energy density at that pressure because it stores as liquid. With air you would need much higher pressures to get shot counts, and then the interesting issue would be the integrity of the vessel...
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:51 PM   #14 (permalink)
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cool stuff

I wanted to do something like that for my M-14 automag

a co2 magazine would be quite sweet
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:54 PM   #15 (permalink)
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cooper T used to have a quick fill CO2 sup air tank
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Old 11-06-2009, 03:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Each round was charged independently with compressed air, and had a valve system in it that was activated when the centre of the "primer" was struck. The cap held the pellet.

Here's a link for how the cartridges work...

[url=http://www.uttings.com/?Categories/Shooting/AirCartridge/Brocock/
Uttings.com[/url]

I suspect the new paintball shotgun cartridges are doing something similar.

They were banned in England because they were stupid easy to convert into real firearms and the criminals started doing just that.

Google Image Result for http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1775000/images/_1779349_airguns300.jpg
What a fascinating problem. I wonder how usable one of those converted .22 or .38 Brocock guns really is, or if they just tend to self-destruct under the shock during firing.
Here's another article in the Telegraph:Rap singer faces jail over loaded revolver - Telegraph
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From several accounts I heard and read back in the days they we pretty usable. I used to be very active in the airgun world when I lived in England.

The guns were very solid and well made real steel items. Felt and looked and operated pretty much just like the real thing.

I can see how easy it was to make the conversion too. It wouldn't take much to drill out the rear of the cartridge and insert a primer.

The reason I got rid of my Brocock guns was because they didn't lend to consistent shooting. Slight pressure differences in the cartridges or leaks made the guns shoot badly in comparison to my pre-charged air rifles. I should never have sold my Rapid 7.
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Old 11-06-2009, 03:46 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Man, I would buy a freaking skid of these if they were reliable and consistent.
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I wonder if someone on this forum can manufacture their own version of these for our 'consumption'.
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