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Old 11-07-2009, 12:39 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I think its what is more comfortable for the person. Me personally, depends on the gun.
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Old 11-07-2009, 12:59 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Rob Rubin did a video about dispelling the myth of pump guns being more accurate, with the reasoning that both types of markers can be just as accurate as the other, just the hand positions are different, so there's a little different feel. He told that having the front point of contact around the barrel gives greater control, whereas the regulator/foregrip gives slightly less control.
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:08 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I do feel that I play more efficiently when I play pump, just because I know I need that 1 ball to hit, but I hold my guns the exact same way whether I play pump or semi.
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:09 AM   #14 (permalink)
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IMO what forces the change in the firing form is the double trigger.

I'm sure many people will agree that when walking the trigger it's MUCH more comfortable to have your hand loose, which then forces you to hold your marker differently to keep it stable.
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:30 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I think pumps seem more accurate because with semi you have shots back to back in a closer period so its easier to see that one shot is off from the last shot(s). Does that make sense?
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Old 11-07-2009, 03:19 AM   #16 (permalink)
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IMO what forces the change in the firing form is the double trigger.

I'm sure many people will agree that when walking the trigger it's MUCH more comfortable to have your hand loose, which then forces you to hold your marker differently to keep it stable.

^^^ I wholeheartedly agree with this. ROF-oriented guns have also gone to extremes in terms of grip shape and placement to optimize the user's ability pull the trigger (or slap the mouse button) as quickly as possible. Ultra-thin frames, weird 90 or even Z-frames, etc. Hell, let's go one step further and look at how the paintballs are fed in-- by putting a pipe directly in front of the line of sight.

This is why all guns appear to shoot the same when clamped to a bench, but perform so differently when held in human hands.
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:03 AM   #17 (permalink)
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There is something to this IMO, I'm not sure how much, but I have always felt there is a difference between holding the reg and holding the pump. Of course when you have the gun locked in, you should not be able to knock the gun off target easily either way, but the effectve lever arm changes on your torque on the gun.
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Old 11-07-2009, 07:35 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Rob Rubin did a video about dispelling the myth of pump guns being more accurate, with the reasoning that both types of markers can be just as accurate as the other, just the hand positions are different, so there's a little different feel. He told that having the front point of contact around the barrel gives greater control, whereas the regulator/foregrip gives slightly less control.
Agreed!

Everyone know you don't need to aim when using a semi.
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Old 11-07-2009, 10:01 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I think theres a lot of different reasons for the hand positions, as well as the accuracy thing.

For hand position, I now see lots of players holding their hands up high on the reg(foregrip...) and wrap their thumb around the barrel. I prefer this position, feels more like, pump, and I think I shoot better like that. With markers where I cant do that (Dm, ego, etc) I find It more comfortable to run like that. Just like with my pump, If I am bunkering someone Ill load a ball and run with my hand on the reg unless I dont have the players back.

This positioning also may have to do with accuracy. Like others have said, theres a lot of difference between the accuracy of the gun, and how accuracte you are with it. If you have a well balanced setup and hold it correctly you definatly can shoot better. With my pump, I have very comfy wrap arounds that fit me well and I can grip firmly, I hold the entire gun steady and everything feels solid. my single finger slide trigger gives me more comfort/grip, and the smooth motion of pulling the trigger back instead of having it move on a pivot may also give me a benefit in accuracy. My semi, Ive got spd grips and my marker is kind of slippery so I can switch hands quickly and move my hand position slightly to walk more easily.

For accuracy, I think there are a lot of reasons. For one, its the type of shots pumpers and semis will take. Ill go after a toe, elbow, pack, longball shot or pretty much anything I get with a semi. With a pump, im only taking shots I will make. With semi's taking more risky and uncertain shots the amount of times you actually eliminate someone from shooting at them is a lot less, making it seem less accurate.

another thing is, It actually seems like my pump is more accurate. It looks to me like the balls fly straighter, and where I want them to go. When I shoot my semi, the balls look like they go everywhere, in a stream each ball will head in its own direction slightly. Whats actually happening Is with the semi I can have several balls in the air, and i use the distance between each as a reference, so I see how "accurate" or close each ball is landing from where I aim. With pump, I dont have that reference, I just see one ball go out my barrel fairly straight. If I locked my marker In place and did the same amount of shots as I did with my semi, the spread pattern should be about the same, its just more difficult to tell without seeing the rest of your shots.
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Old 11-07-2009, 10:32 AM   #20 (permalink)
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In France we roughly got this theory.

In pump playing, you got to be very sharp due tu the weak amount of paint you're throwing. Thus that is not the marker that is more accurate, that is the player that put a lot of himself in the very first ball he is going to shoot.

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