Paintball

[russc]

I agree, severely limiting paint is a catch all, easily enforcable rule that still allows anyone to use any gun they want.

[diOs]

autotrigger can just as easily be taken out just as easy as mech can be incorporated into a pump league.

[stevedavidson]

Guys - as Hollywood said, ALL of the input is appreciated and is being heeded.

Please (please!) present your issues and concerns in as forceful a manner as you wish, but don't make the mistake of believing that anything is cast in stone yet - because it isn't.

And remember the major point that I keep on trying to get across here: At the LOCAL LEVEL (where most people will play most of their games) the decisions on what and how are going to be left largely to the players themselves.

And also please don't forget the transitional nature of this thing at this moment. Some folks may want to 'try before they buy' and letting them ease in with equipment already on hand is one way to go about letting them do so.

I personally would prefer: pump only, gravity feed only (autotriggers allowed - and to the person who said you can't hit anything on autotrigger, I know there are a lot of old-timers who'd disagree completely with that statement) - but I'm not running or creating this thing, just contributing like many others. I've heard plenty of arguments for other systems and believe that they have some merit. I'm willing to go along with most anything (reasonable) that gets this thing up and running and gets like-minded folks together who'll then shape it into what works for most.

Chris - read the above. This is not "MY" thing. I was asked to participate and make 68Caliber available. You want to re-hash old arguments or old thinking, do it off-line, since this has nothing to do with you or me.

[Meph]

Originally Posted by diOs

autotrigger can just as easily be taken out just as easy as mech can be incorporated into a pump league.

What do you propose, tell everybody with a Nelson based gun, Phantoms in particular, that they are banned equipment?

Originally Posted by Horizon

It seems like we want to go back to the good old days but not all the way back, so now we can replay the arms race.

There is no way you are going to make everyone happy. Stop trying. It won't happen. Discussing it will just end up p***ing off those that didn't get their way and will most likely not take part because of it.

Agree on the arms race, been saying the same outcome is doomed to repeat itself if a proper set of limitations aren't set in place.

However about not making everybody happy, while that's true it's impossible to make 100% happy. Discussion can turn it from 50% happy to 75% happy. You can't please all but you can improve the amount of those who are pleased. So discussion is not irrelevant or unnecessary but actually promotes a better event in the long run.



As for the old-timers who disagree with my statement that most people shooting 11bps autotrigger won't hit squat. That's what paintballers do. They ramp up their stories to make their skill and feats of accomplishments seem grander than they actually were. Myth becomes Legend, Legend becomes History, History becomes Fact.

[VonOrt]

RT A5? Legal or illegal? Or is it a matter of when Tippmann jumps on board then we make them legal? You know like the SPPL did.

[Gogged_Gurl]

What do you propose, tell everybody with a Nelson based gun, Phantoms in particular, that they are banned equipment?

the guns arent banned,the trigger plate design is,easily replaced by a older style non-auto trigger plate.


competitive auto racers motorcycle racer,runners,shooter's,mountain bikers,hunters,sailors,etc. etc. all tailor thier gear/tools to fit the rules of the event,not the other way around.

everytime somthing like this comes up the same basic few factions cry cry cry, first the nitpickers just tear the whole thing appart with relentless trivial OCD like behavior even though none of them have any intentions of ever entering,playing or have never played a event.

next the people that feel that there should be no events and no rules or formats at all and want to bitch about there being one in the first place,mainly people who have this skewed vision that catagories and playing styles are wrong,and that people should'nt have fun the way they want to. wich makes zero sense in any way at all. yea good idea top fuel drag cars work great as dune buggy's.

next the mainly new crop of people that are under the impression the format and rules need to conform to thier personal preferences or the gear they own,we had these cry babys all the time in the OSC allways complaining about the paint limit,i see it allready with the bickering about what hopper should be allowed yadda yadda.

Its very very simple if you dont like the style of play. then dont play the series.play a series or event that has the format you enjoy. If the rules dictate no auto-triggers then remove the auto trigger. YOU need to build and conform your gear to the rules just like anything else instead endless bickering wich ends allways in tearing the whole series apart as the promoters try to keep smiles on to many faces for TRIVIAL reasons.

[splattttttt]

Is it fair to assume that two automobiles both running on regular gasoline compete in a race when one weighed half as much as the other, and put out twice as much horse power???
That's the reason why there are certain allocations regarding class and makes.
Our sport shouldn't be considered any different.

[Meph]

Originally Posted by Gogged_Gurl

the guns arent banned,the trigger plate design is,easily replaced by a older style non-auto trigger plate.

Those are readily available on the market?

[Greenmtnphantom]

Originally Posted by Gogged_Gurl

the guns arent banned,the trigger plate design is,easily replaced by a older style non-auto trigger plate.

I was unaware that you could convert a Nelson based gun to not have an autotrigger.

[raehl]

Originally Posted by Horizon

In my opinion (yeah, you didn't think I was going to leave this with no opinion, did you? ), limiting paint, rather severely will most closely resemble anything you pick from the past. The reason being that in the good old days, paint was expensive and no one shot tons of it because of it. Shooting a mechanical semi-auto or even auto triggering virtualy non-stop because you've allowed relatively high volumes of paint on the field will not be a format reminiscent of the old glory days of paintball.

Actually, taking from our discussions elsewhere, the solution is simple.

If you want to go really old school, FPO, $500/case.

- Chris