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Old 12-22-2011, 12:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Invert Mini leaking down bolt guide

Hey, I had a V1 Mini come across my table with a leak down what feels like the center of the bolt guide.
I have changed the poppit, reset the pressure to 200psi, and re-lubed the marker and it is still leaking.
I also took the bolt guide out of another gun, installed the poppit from the gun in question into it and the leaking stopped.
This made me think that it might be the o-rings on the outside of the bolt guide which I changed to a #16 in my O-ring Monkey kit and it is still leaking.
I have tried the solenoid in another Mini that I have around the shop and it is good.

What would cause this leak with all the things that I have tried?
Could it be that the sealing face on the bolt guide is damaged?

Thanks for any help that you can give me.

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Here is what I have done:
Changed the poppit with a new one
Re-set the poppit (aka bottomed out the velocity adjuster)
Changed larger bolt guide o-rings with new ones
Re-lubed the o-rings
Exchanged solenoid with a new one
The marker still leaks

The only way that this gun does not leak is when I put a exchange a bolt guide from another Mini (with original solenoid).
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Old 12-22-2011, 12:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you aren't willing to read the sticky, first step is to tighten the back screw and reset the poppet.
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have done all the stuff in the sticky already
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have had the problem you are describing and the solution for me was the solenoid. I had to reset it, but stripped a screw taking it apart and had to purchase a new part.

Solenoid installed and the leak stopped instantly.

From what I read in the sticky and elsewhere, the other possible cause for our problem was the poppet face not sealing properly. The fix was to take the bolt out of the gun (hopefully you have a v3 poppet) and make sure all the lube is cleaned off of the poppet face.

This didn't work for me, so I decided to change out the poppet face with a replacement that was included in my parts kit. I could not unscrew the part like the directions I read and had to cut it off the poppet plunger with a knife. The new one threaded on no problems after I did that.

So... to recap... screw the back cap all the way in, air up and see if that fixes it. If it does, it is the poppet face with the issue. If this has no effect, it is your solenoid.
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Here is what I have done:
Changed the poppit with a new one
Re-set the poppit (aka bottomed out the velocity adjuster)
Changed larger bolt guide o-rings with new ones
Re-lubed the o-rings
Exchanged solenoid with a new one
The marker still leaks

The only way that this gun does not leak is when I put a exchange a bolt guide from another Mini.

*added this to the original post*
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Old 11-15-2014, 10:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Hmmm my poppet leaks too, i have been searching with Google and found Badlands and Paintball Discounters both have poppets at $ 10 US. PD has solenoids too, $ 30.

Shipping is rediculous from both; Badlands charges $ 20 Canada Post while PD charges $ 30 USPS

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Contact Empire for a replacement part.
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Here is what I have done:
Changed the poppit with a new one
Re-set the poppit (aka bottomed out the velocity adjuster)
Changed larger bolt guide o-rings with new ones
Re-lubed the o-rings
Exchanged solenoid with a new one
The marker still leaks

The only way that this gun does not leak is when I put a exchange a bolt guide from another Mini.

*added this to the original post*
It sounds like your bolt guide could be damaged. Check for tiny knicks or sctaches. Call Kee like Flounder suggested, they should take care of you for free.

Also, make sure the oring on the poppet is urethane duro70. Using a buna oring can cause erratic velocity and possibly other problems.
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Old 11-19-2014, 10:19 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Just to double check, you have the spring on the right way around? One end has a kinda hook on it that can tear o rings and is intended only to go one way around.

How come you haven't tried replacing all the o rings? Also, check the bolt, not just the guide.
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Old 11-20-2014, 07:05 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The inside of the bolt guide where the poppet seals may be dinged, scratched, or slightly mis-manufactured. Try a new bolt guide. I've seen an Axe with the same thing.
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