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Old 03-19-2011, 11:45 AM   #41 (permalink)
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The current rumourmill places a mid-cycle refresh of the JK for MY 2012 (IE, this fall) that will see a diesel (Probably the 2.8L or 3.0L VM Motori diesels), a 5-speed automatic and a Gladiator-esque pickup.

EDIT: Also, a few companies have done custom FJ Cruiser convertables:


Not quite as good as you'd like...not bad, but it just seems off.
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Old 03-19-2011, 01:40 PM   #42 (permalink)
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The current rumourmill places a mid-cycle refresh of the JK for MY 2012 (IE, this fall) that will see a diesel (Probably the 2.8L or 3.0L VM Motori diesels), a 5-speed automatic and a Gladiator-esque pickup.

EDIT: Also, a few companies have done custom FJ Cruiser convertables:
http://www.autospies.com/images/user...ous/07tfjc.jpg

Not quite as good as you'd like...not bad, but it just seems off.
I know, I've been hearing it for what seems like the last 5 years. I got crazy excited when I saw the diesel option on the plate in the engine bay but that hasn't happened yet. For whatever reason they don't think they will sell in the US which is absurd. They last rumor was a 5.0 Cummins diesel for 2010. My car is paid off in July, I would have no problem jumping into another payment if they show me a diesel JK. I would prefer a stick but I would take an auto with a diesel option, even if it's the smaller 2.8 turbo they have in the J8.
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:00 PM   #43 (permalink)
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They've caught pictures of Siemens running American-spec Wranglers with Fiat and VM diesel engines running around the USA, and Jeep just finished a hiring binge including a ton of engineers and salespeople with diesel experience. If it's not coming in 2012, it's coming soon.

Also, just to make you even more eager for one, here's a nice video of the diesel-powered milspec J8 doing testing. The bit at 1:20 with the BPV version flooring it down the road gives me a raging car boner.
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Also, just to make you even more eager for one, here's a nice video of the diesel-powered milspec J8 doing testing. The bit at 1:20 with the BPV version flooring it down the road gives me a raging car boner.
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:06 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I've been scouring scrapyards and wrecked vehicle sales to try and find a written-off JK Unlimited to turn into a ghetto J8 truck. Create a cab-only rollcage, strip out everything past the front seats, seal up the door openings and close off the back...do want.
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I've been scouring scrapyards and wrecked vehicle sales to try and find a written-off JK Unlimited to turn into a ghetto J8 truck. Create a cab-only rollcage, strip out everything past the front seats, seal up the door openings and close off the back...do want.
That would be sweet. The BPV sounded to me like it had the 5.7 HEMI option. It sounded friggin' fierce. I was making this face >
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:36 PM   #47 (permalink)
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IMO, I think their MOST important contribution was the Jeep I6, which, IMO, is one of the best engines of all time. They stuck that in every Jeep made for years, and the I6 in my TJ is identical to engines made between '91 and '06, and barely changed from the carbonated 4.2L I6s made between '71 and '90. 5 years and two generations, and the only thing that killed it was EPA regulations-now THAT'S what I call a good engine.
Exactly.

I'm a huge fan of AMC cars too -Javelins, AMX's, etc. They brought the first AWD car to the market, years before Subaru, too.
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and the I6 in my TJ is identical to engines made between '91 and '06, and barely changed from the carbonated 4.2L I6s made between '71 and '90.
They are similar enough that people put 4.0 heads on 4.2s for more power. Or put 4.2 cranks in 4.0s for more power. And everything mounts in the same place.

I've been tempted for a while to pull a fuel-injected 4.0 HO from a junked Cherokee and drop into my CJ5. Apart from the wiring, its drop and go.

Like you said, the EPA killed it. The reason it was a longstroke motor. They have excellent low end torque, but pollute more then short-stroke motors.

On a positive side, Mopar started making 4.7L I6 strokers as a "drop in" replacement for the 4.0s in YJ/TJ/etc, and technically any Jeep I6. They start at $3660. Slightly cheaper then the Titans.
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Old 03-19-2011, 03:36 PM   #49 (permalink)
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True enough-as a sidenote, the AMC Eagle was the first crossover, and a really nifty little car.

Still, right now, I'd consider the '06 TJ Rubicon the best Jeep ever built all-around, since it took everybody's important contributions and combined them into one vehicle. The JK Rubicon might beat it once the Pentastar and diesel engines get there, although it's losing a few points, as far as raw Jeep-ness goes-by having an interior you can't clean with a garden hose.

EDIT: Nice, I didn't know there was a Mopar stroker kit for the I6. I knew about Golen and such, but I'd honestly have the Mopar version. Once I can afford a second vehicle and can take the TJ off the road long enough to tinker with it, I really want to fit it with a stroker kit-it's too bad that nobody's really made a diesel that will fit well in the TJ. VWs are too small, Cummins, even the 4BT are too big, and VM Motori, Toyota and Nissan diesels are too hard and expensive to get ahold of.

Plus, up here, a diesel can be a liability-when it gets down to -40*C, even with heaters you've got to run a gas engine for 20 minutes before you start driving. With a diesel, you need to run glow plugs for 20 minutes before you can even start it, and you've got to idle trucks and heavy equipment for at least half an hour. Even the smaller ones take half an hour to get ready to drive, and my brother has to warm up his employer's one-ton Ford with a Powerstroke for an hour before it's drivable (Granted, it's perpetually moving around 5-ton bags of mine samples, and if you tried to pull a trailer with one while cold it'd fire a piston into low earth orbit, but still)
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:47 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Ooooh. Supposedly we'll be seeing this as a 2012 model:




2012 Gladiator. It's about time they brought out another truck. I loved the Comanches. Supposedly the CEO even showed it off to dealers. Very cool. I remember drooling over pics of this thing back in '05 when it was a concept.
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