Don't own a cell phone, this is why - Page 3

jwigum · 07-23-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzy

Wow.. this is an old story.. knew about this before. Heck, that E911 part of your new shiny phone? Lets them track you with GPS.

And people looked at me funny for not getting new "free" phone every 2 years.

Things have their good uses, and their bad. Its all in the people we entrust with the tools. Thats why we always need to have a say in the matter... but I am tired of all the crap that gets leaked out in the news. We used to have secrets... heck, the NYTimes can keep Harry Potter secrets, but blabs to the world every time they learn about a new government tool.

Yeah, this really is an old story. I think it's about 6 months old. The type of phones vulnerable are Sprint/Nextel devices. I don't really see the danger, since Sprint/Nextel are the suck for service and support. That said, I recall them being legal(warrant was signed) wiretaps.

Jaan · 07-23-2007, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jwigum

...I recall them being legal(warrant was signed) wiretaps.

Well that's a relief. We all know the government would never perform warrantless wiretaps.

Whew! That's a load off my mind...

blackrain · 07-23-2007, 03:21 AM

Check your ipods lately???? Check your comp and online activities????? They watch every move. I bet everytime the word scenario tank pops up, we are hit on. Since the Ft. Dix incendent, I bet paintball forums are watched very closely. Only way you won't be noticed, if you fall off the grid completely or change your name every so often. They still know what you buy and purchase, even if you pay cash. So don't be afraid, this has been going on for a very long time.
Later,
Blackrain

Listessa · 07-23-2007, 08:03 AM

Aren't cell phones supposed to give you brain cancer anyway?
If "they" really want to listen to my idiotic conversations, enjoy. Nothing really racy or titillating lately. Lots of happy girlie conversations with female friends catching up. Talking with parents and whatever. I'm not that interesting.

I've come to the conclusion that if you are truly worried, you are screwed unless you live entirely "off the grid." I'm law abiding enough to cope, since I rather enjoy running water, flushing toilets (YES they have them up here...), electricity, and internet. Granted, I'm not going to line up with people when they start to implant identity chips or anything- I just figure that weather it's made legal or not the government will be doing it anyway. After all, it's the government. I seriously doubt any particular set up of government would entirely be able to avoid going into such for the good of the group vs the individual nonsense.

Talfuchre · 07-23-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Drum

I did not say anything when they tapped the phones to fight terrorists because I was not a terrorist. I did nothing when they listened in on drug dealers and child molesters because I was neither. I never said a word when privacy was eliminated for those who criticized the government because I discussed my hatred of the bureaucrats with no-one else.

Then, when they came for me... there was no-one left to say a word against them.

With apologies to the long dead Reverend _________.

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

-JCM

D.

Said it better than I could. Just because you have nothing to hide does not mean your rights are not abridged by looking in your windows.

If your wife was not much to look at - you would be pissed if I took nude photos of her through your windows.

TF

Lrrpie-CT · 07-23-2007, 09:37 AM

I'd like to see some evidence that any turned off cell phone can be remotely activated and used as a bug. I think the tin foil hats help protect against this.

incynr8 · 07-23-2007, 09:51 AM

tin foil improves your range.

Azzy · 07-23-2007, 10:57 AM

Matt - most of these phones go into sleep mode, so they arent really shut down. Only way to shut it off is to pull the battery pack from the back, unless you would hack in a physical switch.

Then it would be as simple as waking a computer off a lan connection.

doc Zox · 07-23-2007, 11:04 AM

y'all know about the wiretap potential of OnStar don'tcha?

HP_Lovecraft · 07-23-2007, 11:18 AM

I'm not really surprised.

It is known that any non-cordless HOME phone can be used to wiretap. Basically, when law enforcement is issued a warrant, the phone company sends a signal to the phone for a "no ring" connection, even though the receiver is down.

SO, same likely goes for cell-phones. Most are run by hackable software, so anything is possible.

nick

07-23-2007, 03:21 AM	#23 (permalink)
blackrain MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: America	Check your ipods lately???? Check your comp and online activities????? They watch every move. I bet everytime the word scenario tank pops up, we are hit on. Since the Ft. Dix incendent, I bet paintball forums are watched very closely. Only way you won't be noticed, if you fall off the grid completely or change your name every so often. They still know what you buy and purchase, even if you pay cash. So don't be afraid, this has been going on for a very long time. Later, Blackrain __________________ Rogue Leader and founder "TEAM ROGUE" Cell #0 "When all else fails,pull the pin and see what happens next" Just like to make crazy stuff for paintball? Click on the link: http://www.freepaintballplans.com/forum/ My feed back: http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=745 How Paintballs are made: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...54640369281174

07-23-2007, 08:03 AM	#24 (permalink)
Listessa Stitching through Winter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Fairbanks, AK	Aren't cell phones supposed to give you brain cancer anyway? If "they" really want to listen to my idiotic conversations, enjoy. Nothing really racy or titillating lately. Lots of happy girlie conversations with female friends catching up. Talking with parents and whatever. I'm not that interesting. I've come to the conclusion that if you are truly worried, you are screwed unless you live entirely "off the grid." I'm law abiding enough to cope, since I rather enjoy running water, flushing toilets (YES they have them up here...), electricity, and internet. Granted, I'm not going to line up with people when they start to implant identity chips or anything- I just figure that weather it's made legal or not the government will be doing it anyway. After all, it's the government. I seriously doubt any particular set up of government would entirely be able to avoid going into such for the good of the group vs the individual nonsense. __________________ The correct question is, "Why don't I need another gun?" How strange to see a lagomorph of such bravery. Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo- Don't Ask Us- We Will Tell! Facilis est Descensus Averni. <--Click to descend to my feedback. NO'MAAM #2"National Organization Members Against AGG Metrosexuals" Rouge Cell #3

07-23-2007, 09:51 AM	#27 (permalink)
incynr8 Flaky Admin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Amidst the Forest Creatures	tin foil improves your range. __________________

07-23-2007, 10:57 AM	#28 (permalink)
Azzy Mod-O-Rator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Finleyville, PA	Matt - most of these phones go into sleep mode, so they arent really shut down. Only way to shut it off is to pull the battery pack from the back, unless you would hack in a physical switch. Then it would be as simple as waking a computer off a lan connection. __________________ Bryan "Azzy" Spiegel Riverside Renegade Paintball / C.C. S.V.S. Plankowner - LPPC#6 "It is my right to be uncommon—if I can. I seek opportunity—not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, “This I have done.” - Dean Alfange

07-23-2007, 11:18 AM	#30 (permalink)
HP_Lovecraft MCB Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Southern Maine	I'm not really surprised. It is known that any non-cordless HOME phone can be used to wiretap. Basically, when law enforcement is issued a warrant, the phone company sends a signal to the phone for a "no ring" connection, even though the receiver is down. SO, same likely goes for cell-phones. Most are run by hackable software, so anything is possible. nick __________________ www.montneel.com My Myspace nonsense "the evidence strongly suggests that neither Billy nor Adam (Smart Parts) could have invented the electronic paintgun" -Garr M. King, U.S. Judge

07-23-2007, 09:37 AM	#26 (permalink)
Lrrpie-CT See Matt Mod. Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bethlehem CT	I'd like to see some evidence that any turned off cell phone can be remotely activated and used as a bug. I think the tin foil hats help protect against this.

07-23-2007, 11:04 AM	#29 (permalink)
doc Zox Shop Smart,Shop S-Mart Join Date: Jul 2006	y'all know about the wiretap potential of OnStar don'tcha?