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Old 02-15-2013, 10:12 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Oh I got it. His giant balls were resting on the accelerator.
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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In this case, the car was 'adapted for disability', so I'd bet that was the culprit.
Right. It sounds like Renault fitted the car with handbar controls for the brake and accelerator and that something went awry.



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By the way, the current Renault Laguna is quite a looker for a mid-size sedan.
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:47 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Turn off the car (use the key), or put the car in neutral if the key doesn't work for whatever reason.

It seriously can't be that hard to stop a car... I'd rather ruin a car's engine than be killed or kill myself.
I know I have read stories before when people try to put it into neutral, the car stays in drive. That is what was happening to some of those Toyota's. People were trying to turn them off and shifting them, but they just kept accelerating.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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ANY auto trans car can be stopped with the brakes at full throttle, unless there's a brake issue.

I once experienced a full-throttle stuck accelerator pedal on a Dodge Caravan I was driving. I was 2 blocks away from my destination so I just rode the brakes (didn't want to neutral-drop it when the light turned green) and got there just fine.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:27 PM   #15 (permalink)
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does anyone know if you can still steer/brake if you take out the car keys?

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Right. It sounds like Renault fitted the car with handbar controls for the brake and accelerator and that something went awry.


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By the way, the current Renault Laguna is quite a looker for a mid-size sedan.
maybe the lever broke off? or if the driver is disabled, perhaps a leg rested on the gas pedal without knowing.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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does anyone know if you can still steer/brake if you take out the car keys?
Typically the steering column locks, and you lose your power brakes though they'll still work if you push hard enough.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:07 AM   #17 (permalink)
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A Renault tech couldn't come up with a solution, but I'm sure he didn't consider all the smart suggestions you guys are making. Why is it so hard for some of you to realize that modern cars are not the same as the cars from even 10 years ago? If the car has drive-by-wire starter, gear leaver, brakes, accelerator, etc. there really isn't all that much you can do if the computer stops responding to inputs from those controls.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:34 AM   #18 (permalink)
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If the car has drive-by-wire starter, gear leaver, brakes, accelerator, etc. there really isn't all that much you can do if the computer stops responding to inputs from those controls.

which is reason enough to question whether these "advancements" are really a good idea; brake- and steering-by-wire just don't seem to be a good idea...

i wonder how long it will be until either a major manufacturer - or smaller, aftermarket company - releases the option for a master kill switch... thereby shutting-down the entire electrical system on the vehicle... though I guess you would have to rely on that electric component working as it should...
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Old 02-16-2013, 12:13 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Nothing on the market has "drive-by wire" steering or braking. There's a drive-by-wire trans selector option on several high-end European models, there's electric power assist, and certain German/Japanese brands have electric park brakes. Steering wheels and service brakes continue, and will continue, to have physical connections to the systems in question.

I'm curious what year the Laguna is - the last generation appears to be based on the Nissan Altima, a model that I know for a fact will cut power to the motor when the brake is applied during acceleration.

It honestly sounds like it was either operator error or the adaptations made to make it handicap accessible malfunctioned.
Never said they were on the market, but the idea has been floating around for quite a few years... with the idea that a traditional, "physical" system would run parallel in case of electrical failure
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Old 02-16-2013, 02:27 PM   #20 (permalink)
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That comment was more aimed at a previous statement.... I've been a mechanic for 12 years now, and very aware of how badly engineers want to completely *$&% a car up in the name of progress.
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