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Old 03-05-2013, 03:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't see scumbags, I see self-preservation. How many people post in the members section ranting about trying to help someone and getting screwed over? How many movie/tv plots have someone getting involved and getting into trouble? I bet in a lifetime, you are exposed to instances(real and fiction) where staying out of it or distancing yourself means staying out of trouble much more than getting involved made everything better. Even video guy, his actions seem bad, but his recording would help in the end. Sorry, but people act in their own interest. Even the people that help probably only do so because they would want someone to help them if they were in that situation.




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That's a dirtbag thing to say, hope your friends and family don't count on you to help them ...

I would help because that's what right. If I got screwed over afterwards, at least I'll know I did the right thing.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:50 PM   #32 (permalink)
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They're lucky there wasn't anybody concealed carrying... this little "experiment" could have ended real badly.
Is what I was thinking....but then it is NY....guns are bad and outlawed so no law abiding citizen would dare carry one

But it is a good thing he did not get the crap tazered out of him
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:55 PM   #33 (permalink)
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That's a dirtbag thing to say, hope your friends and family don't count on you to help them ...

I would help because that's what right. If I got screwed over afterwards, at least I'll know I did the right thing.
Amen to that.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:00 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I know everyone is getting all riled up with vengeance fantasies and justice porn, but ta2maki isn't necessarily wrong. I'd like to think decent people, myself included, would take action. The video, however, and quite unfortunately, supports his statements. These are 'normal' people acting the way 'normal' people would.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:05 PM   #35 (permalink)
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It's also easy to sit on a high horse and claim decency when you are behind a computer (or in any controlled environment). Fight or flight is an instinctive reaction we have to high adrenaline situations. Keyword: "instinctive." We don't really know how we'd react in a similar situation unless we've been there before.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:23 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Holy crap, that's risky. I am surprised he didn't get a boot to the face.
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They're lucky there wasn't anybody concealed carrying... this little "experiment" could have ended real badly.
These are my initial reactions as well. Then I think about "what if my 3 year old son were with me". Would I put him in danger by getting physically involved? My instinct is absolutely not. But I don't know if I could secure his safety and then go back and help before the guy gets killed. I hope I don't ever have to be in that situation. I'd likely throw a boot to the face before the door closes at least.

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i wanna know the stats.

how many people opened the elevator
how many called 911
how many helped
how many walked away

thats still crazy......
the video guy blows my mind.... WOW... damn.
Agreed. It's interesting to see how the majority of people reacted.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:24 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I know everyone is getting all riled up with vengeance fantasies and justice porn, but ta2maki isn't necessarily wrong. I'd like to think decent people, myself included, would take action. The video, however, and quite unfortunately, supports his statements. These are 'normal' people acting the way 'normal' people would.
no, he's not wrong. altruism expecting others to aid you in return helps society prosper. on the other hand, the people in the video don't lose anything by calling 911. even if you're too weak to stop the attacker calling the cops is just as simple as pushing a few buttons. at the same time, catching the murderer after the fact is less significant than saving the victim.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:28 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I don't think anyone has a "duty" to help the person out, but I think they should atleast call 911 or call for help, not stand there and record the damn thing happening.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:28 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Hindisght is also 20/20, and logic goes completely out the window during high-adrenaline situations.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:47 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Hindisght is also 20/20, and logic goes completely out the window during high-adrenaline situations.
sure, but very few of those people were high on adrenaline. most of them calmly walked away.
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