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Old 04-22-2013, 07:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Best these three hairdresser-looking mouthbreathers stick to pulling such stunts in CA. Elsewhere, concealed carry laws exist and the right to defend oneself against unlawful infliction of death/serious bodily injury with deadly force is available (even to bail jumping criminals).

Point an air gun at someone's face and then knock out their eye with it, after jumping them in a public place without any signs of aggression on their part? Not only should they be allowed to kill you in self defense, they are allowed to kill you in self defense.
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When a person is released on bail, it means that the state is allowing a person who would otherwise be in jail, to go free under certain conditions, pending his or her trial. The traditional view of American courts is that the state continues to have the same power over an accused prisoner whether or not he or she is released on bail. Indeed, in order to secure his or her release on bail, the accused usually has to sign a contract that gives broad powers to the bail bondsman. And so, if a person jumps bail, the state or its agents -- in this case, the bail bondsmen -- have the same power that they would have, for example, over an escaped convict.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Best these three hairdresser-looking mouthbreathers stick to pulling such stunts in CA. Elsewhere, concealed carry laws exist and the right to defend oneself against unlawful infliction of death/serious bodily injury with deadly force is available (even to bail jumping criminals).

Point an air gun at someone's face and then knock out their eye with it, after jumping them in a public place without any signs of aggression on their part? Not only should they be allowed to kill you in self defense, they are allowed to kill you in self defense.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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And so, if a person jumps bail, the state or its agents -- in this case, the bail bondsmen -- have the same power that they would have, for example, over an escaped convict.
does that include the power to inflict permanent injuries?
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
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does that include the power to inflict permanent injuries?
Of course not seizure of his sight does not balance in return for his apprehension. I never said it was justified, I actually said the exactly opposite earlier in the post. I don't understand why you are attacking something I didn't infer.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:39 PM   #15 (permalink)
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does that include the power to inflict permanent injuries?
Thank you heinous. You read my mind. I might not always agree with your posts but on this one you are spot on. Regardless of the conditions imposed on a bailed out accused person their right to be free from harm trumps the state's right to apprehend them or at least that's my understanding from asking some American friends and family. The way I see it is ok arresting the guy and taking him back to jail for violating his bail conditions sure I don't think anyone could argue that. But to do so in a manner that in any other circumstances would be assault and kidnapping? Not cool. Not to mention if someone is an officer of the court to be able to use their powers do they not have to identify themselves (no knock warrants notwithstanding but that's another discussion). Granted even if knew who the bondsmen where the way they went about this was wrong. he runs so what? That does not give them the right to tase him (as tasing if you're trained in it's use is only supposed to use in places you would use a gun but do not want to kill so you instead incapacitate) and the rubber bullets are a whole other ball game. Those are said to be less than lethal however will still cause serious injury. I say if the guy was truly blinded permanently regardless of whether his bond was revoked or not he should be able to sue the tits off these women
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Assuming they had the right to grab him.

The mistake was in not closing in on him and announcing who they were - she walked up and grabbed his arm, tried to bring him up from a sitting position and put his hand up his back.

Told him then his bond had been revoked and then secind chick arrived with tazer.

It escalated from there and wasn't coming back.
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What happens when they go up against someone truly dangerous? They get their ***ses handed to them on camera.
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I'm sorry if you aren't a big enough person to take someone down on your own this job isn't for you.
Maybe we should fire every cop that isn't 6'8" and 300lbs.
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Maybe we should fire every cop that isn't 6'8" and 300lbs.
Different story cops job relies on people co-operating rarely do they have wrestle people to the ground. If they come at officers tasers are allowed. Bounty hunters go after people who will not cooperate and will be disgruntled right off the bat.
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