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Old 06-27-2013, 11:48 AM   #21 (permalink)
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^I'd be cool with that actually. The four positions in a tank are: driver, loader, gunner, and tank commander.

The loader position would be the most demanding and limiting in my opinion. Back to the strength stereotyping: A tank round is about 3 feet long and weighs about 50lbs and must be manually loaded within 7 seconds to meet the standard. It goes without saying that you want someone to load as fast as possible as you can't shoot back while reloading. You can imagine that 7 seconds feels like an eternity when you're staring at another tank ( for the record I had the fastest time in the battalion at sub 3 second times ) If a female can sling rounds reliably at 7 seconds or faster than she'd make a good tank loader.

During one of the family days on post we took our wives to our gunnery simulators and let them sit in the gunner seat. My wife destroyed multiple tanks and APCs with lethal accuracy and impressed the hell out of us. Women would have no trouble gunning or driving and even commanding the tank. That idea of all an all female crew makes a lot of sense Heinous.
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My cousin served as a tank driver with the Canadian armed forces, and based on what I've heard from her: mixed tank crews were never a problem during deployment. People either grew up during training so it wasn't an issue, or they tended to wash out.
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As long as the standards are not reduced who cares? That being said, the candidates need to fully accept that they need to make the standard, and the standard doesn't need to be made to them. Reducing the standards will effect over all readiness.
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As long as the standards are not reduced who cares? That being said, the candidates need to fully accept that they need to make the standard, and the standard doesn't need to be made to them. Reducing the standards will get people killed.
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:31 PM   #27 (permalink)
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My cousin served as a tank driver with the Canadian armed forces, and based on what I've heard from her: mixed tank crews were never a problem during deployment. People either grew up during training so it wasn't an issue, or they tended to wash out.
Hooray for Canada...

I hope you aren't suggested I need to "grow up".

I'm stating, as a veteran tank crewman, that the idea of mixed tank crews feels odd and if I had a vote I would vote no at this time. I would not want to add any extra dimensions of complexity to a very serious occupation. I get all the equality talk and I'm a huge champion of women's rights, but I have no idea why anyone would want to be in combat anyway. If women really want to be on the front lines fine, we just need to remember that soldiers are human beings with human feelings. It is in our nature to form relationships with one another and I think that has the potential to be problematic within the ranks. This is just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to disagree though if you haven't served in a combat unit, I question how well you understand the issue. I'm trying to say that as PC as I can.
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I think he meant if they were so immature they would discriminate against a female troop for only being female they couldn't hack it anyways and didn't make it through training.

If someone has an issue with a female troop simply because they are female, it is not the fault of her but the one casting the negative feelings. I can see an issue with sexual tension arising but that is just human nature, it is not always between 2 different genders either, there have been plenty of homosexual encounters in our armed forces that I am sure caused problems among the people surrounding it. If you can't control your emotions, maybe the armed forces is not the place for you (not directed at any individual just a statement)

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I hope you aren't suggested I need to "grow up".
If you couldn't handle training and operating along side someone of the opposite sex while remaining professional, on task, and keeping focused, then yes I very much am suggesting that you would need to grow up.

Sure, you might find it weird at first, but I'm assuming you are mature enough to handle things and adjust quickly enough. Thousands of other men and women in other armed forces for nearly the last 100 years have been able to function just fine, and I'm betting you could as well.

And of course it isn't just guys who are at risk of being too immature, and there are plenty of women in this world who would be equally immature and unable to handle it.
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Old 06-27-2013, 05:34 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I get all the equality talk and I'm a huge champion of women's rights, but I have no idea why anyone would want to be in combat anyway.
nobody forced you either

i think it's more about the right to even have the option.

in light of everybody being human, those same people who hit on female soldiers would just have to respect them as humans too and accept any potential rejections that might come their way, equality-wise. other countries have female soldiers just fine, not sure why it's such a big concern here.
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