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Old 06-29-2013, 04:15 AM   #41 (permalink)
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If you couldn't handle training and operating along side someone of the opposite sex while remaining professional, on task, and keeping focused, then yes I very much am suggesting that you would need to grow up.

Sure, you might find it weird at first, but I'm assuming you are mature enough to handle things and adjust quickly enough. Thousands of other men and women in other armed forces for nearly the last 100 years have been able to function just fine, and I'm betting you could as well.

And of course it isn't just guys who are at risk of being too immature, and there are plenty of women in this world who would be equally immature and unable to handle it.
How would you handle the SF pregnancies? You cannot outlaw that soldier getting pregnant. Sure no one is supposed to be banging in mixed forces, but it does happen even when officially proscribed. Having a member of a small unit getting put on med hold could upset the unit dynamic during deployments. While non pc in the least, all male units mean none of of your personal can get put on med hold for pregnancies.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:57 AM   #42 (permalink)
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How would you handle the SF pregnancies? You cannot outlaw that soldier getting pregnant. Sure no one is supposed to be banging in mixed forces, but it does happen even when officially proscribed. Having a member of a small unit getting put on med hold could upset the unit dynamic during deployments. While non pc in the least, all male units mean none of of your personal can get put on med hold for pregnancies.
How does special forces deal with a male soldier wrapping his motorcycle around tree at 90 miles an hour? At least a pregnant team member can still serve in a useful administrative capacity. Dead ones tend to not be useful for much more than paper weights or door stops, and only then if you weren't especially fond of them.

And in my experience males (especially soldiers) tend to due more stupid things (that obviously seemed like a good and fun idea at the time) that puts them at med leave risk than women do.


As for the issue of rape risk that was mentioned earlier. Frankly that risk exists wherever women are because society doesn't come down hard enough on rapists. Any soldier who stands there and turns a blind eye while one of their fellow soldiers are doing such a thing deserves to be put up against a wall and shot. (And the one actually doing the rape deserves to be executed by way of castration with a belt sander)
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Old 06-29-2013, 12:47 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Rape is actually punishable by death under the UCMJ in the US Military. Not that many (or any) soldier rapists actually get that sentence I believe, but its in the code.
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:54 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Ultimately if female personnel are allowed to enter certain job fields in the SF ranks they need to meet the current standards, not some pc dumbed down standard. Also they should not be pushed through just to say there are now women in that field just to make the PC police happy. Not everyone can be in the military, but I have the feeling that those screaming the loudest about having female troops in the SF ranks, will also be asking for exemptions to current physical standards.

A 130 pound load still weighs the same regardless the gender of the person carrying it.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:35 PM   #45 (permalink)
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imo, it should really be up to SOF themselves to decide who and who shouldnt be allowed to join their ranks. They know their work better than anyone else. Who else is better to decide what is best for the job. There are much more considerations to take into account other than whether or not one is physically capable. They also have to consider how it will affect unit dynamics, cohesion, external perceptions, and so on. But most of all, ultimately they're the ones who are most impacted by this decision.
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ADM McRaven: RAND & JSOU to Conduct Studies on Female SOF | SOFREP



SOF Warriors,
Some recent media reports about the lifting of the combat exclusion for women have been confusing, so I want to clarify our plan for the USSOCOM enterprise.
As you know, the SECDEF rescinded the 1994 Direct Ground Combat Definition and Assignment Rule. Simply put, this means that women are cleared to serve in units whose primary mission is to engage in direct combat on the ground.
Consequently, we are in the process of implementing the SECDEF’s guidance to integrate women in all combat Military Operational Specialties (MOSs) no later than January 2016.
However, as we begin the implementation process, if we determine that there are SOF unique issues affecting the successful integration of women into SOF, then and only then, will I submit a request for exemption to the SECDEF.
We have had women attached to our combat units for several years as Cultural Support Teams, Civil Affairs, Military Information Support Teams, Intelligence and a host of other MOSs and they have performed magnificently!
The question for SOF is whether we can absorb women into those Special Operations units whose job generally entails small teams, operating for long periods of time, in close proximity to the enemy or behind enemy lines and in close quarters with other soldiers. And, can we achieve this level of integration without lowering our SOF standards?
This is what we must find out.
I want to briefly summarize for you the basics of the assessment that we are conducting, which will ultimately provide a single, consistent procedure for execution throughout USSOCOM. Once the studies are complete and the facts and data are collected, I’ll make a recommendation in conjunction with the Service Chiefs via the Chairman to the SECDEF.
Our analysis will focus on the special operators in eight SOF specific occupational specialties:
- Special Forces as well as the Infantry positions assigned to the Ranger Regiment
- SEALs; Special Warfare Combatant-craft Crewmen
- Marine Critical Skills Operators
- Special Tactics Officers; Combat Controllers; and Special Operations Weather Personnel.
We will also look at the 46 additional enabling occupational specialties that are not SOF-specific, but are assigned to our formation. The analysis will require close coordination with the services before a decision is made on which specialties, if any, will require a request for exemption from the integration policy.
Our Components are in the process of conducting a thorough review with emphasis on our organization, training, education and leader development programs. They will report their findings in July 2014.
SOF standards have always been gender-neutral; they are just “the standard.” Our review will be a good opportunity to verify this assumption. And we will look at every task in each of our entry level qualification courses to be sure they are decisively tied to an operational requirement. Gender-neutral occupational standards will be validated not later than September 2015.
We have asked our Joint Special Operations University to conduct multiple studies, including one primarily focused on the social implications of integrating women at the team level. Their findings are due in July 2014, as well.
Additionally, we have commissioned RAND to provide analysis on both the behavioral and cultural aspects of integrating women into our formations that operate in remote environments, in order to get a non-biased third party analysis of our qualification course standards.
RAND will also report their findings in July 2014.
All positions will be identified as either open or exempted by the Secretary of Defense by 1 Jan 16.
I want to reiterate that we are not predisposed to any particular course of action, and no decisions have been made regarding our course of action. I am committed to maintaining the highest standards and delivering the most qualified SOF operators to this Nation, regardless of gender.
Adm. William H. McRaven


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