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Old 07-17-2014, 08:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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At least in a conventional war the targets were designated military targets such as a armed jet, troops on the ground, or a tank...not a commercial jet at 30,000 ft...the world really is going to crap. Next war I suspect many millions will die just because there will be no civilian considerations since this world is turning barbaric and kill anything in sight.
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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At least in a conventional war the targets were designated military targets such as a armed jet, troops on the ground, or a tank...not a commercial jet at 30,000 ft...the world really is going to crap. Next war I suspect many millions will die just because there will be no civilian considerations since this world is turning barbaric and kill anything in sight.
Look up the firebombing of Dresden and tell me how much more "civilized" and "honorable" we were in the "good old days". War is horrible, has always been horrible, and while it hasn't gotten much better it hasn't gotten any worse either.
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At least they know where this one went.
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:05 AM   #14 (permalink)
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This is not there year with flight 370 and now this...not good.
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Old 07-18-2014, 08:59 AM   #15 (permalink)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y30NfxXAdVY

VICE news has has a on going series about Ukraine, they started back in march

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...8zuC7Uwyv76h7R

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss
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Old 07-18-2014, 09:43 AM   #16 (permalink)
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We may never get conclusive evidence about this. Not to go all government cover up paranoid tinfoil hat, but this was shot down by a mobile sam system. These are not turn-key systems and take a lot of training. The Russians are using military advisors just the same as we do in conflicts. The odds of finding the black box or any evidence is long across the border by this point. The 'rebels' that took control of the crash site without a doubt had advisors with them in order to secure any damning proof. The order may not have come straight from the kremlin but without a doubt this was not a simple terrorist with a rocket launcher. This kind of accident is how the excrement strikes the thermal modifying device.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:26 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I heard on the radio this morning that there is an Australian lady who lost a family member in both this and flight 370. Now that is a rough year.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:31 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I keep hearing, and reading, that it was a Russian surface to air missile system and then that means it must be linked to the current Russian government or the separatists. Its in the Ukraine. Of course if a SAM system was used it was Russian built - where do you expect all of the SAM systems in the former USSR were built? The idea that it was a Russian built SAM missile does little to point to who did it.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:33 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Oh man, being Russian and all this is all over the news (Russian news). The majority of the news stations that are covering it are saying that is was Russian Extremists that shot the plane down. However, the Russian news is giving a completely different story saying president Putin was flying a similar route (as one person on this forum stated) and that he was not only flying the same type of plane, but the same colour.

So here we go again with conspiracy theories about how Ukrainians were trying to kill Putin and blah blah blah, and then with the other theories about how Russians were trying to shoot down a Ukrainian plane, which btw had no Ukrainian people on it...
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:38 AM   #20 (permalink)
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So here we go again with conspiracy theories about how Ukrainians were trying to kill Putin and blah blah blah, and then with the other theories about how Russians were trying to shoot down a Ukrainian plane, which btw had no Ukrainian people on it...
The prevailing theory is that the Russian rebels mistook it for a Ukrainian military supply plane.
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