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[Walking_Target]

Originally Posted by Sir Brass

I find this phrase amusing:

"So far the device can simultaneously carry out 16 times more operations than a normal computer transistor."

BIG problem with that statement. A transistor doesn't carry out an operation. What it does is either block or allow current to flow from drain to source. It's an on/off switch. How that turns on or off depends on the transistor type.

The news is that they can make a very small transistor. Okay, so? Moore's law is going to take a leap now that they've discovered this new kind of transistor. They still can't build a true positronic matrix like in Star Trek that is capable of intelligent and autonomous thought. It can try and mimic it, yes, but actually emulate it? Nope. And I know that they never will be able to do it. It takes something MORE than just a neurological computer to make a human actually human. It takes a soul. Creating THAT is something we can NEVER do. Only God can do that.

And He would never use His Noodley Appendage for such a blasphemous purpose as creating Data.


In all seriousness, i've encountered computer AI that is significanly more 'intellegent' than some people i've worked with;

something that also should be considered though, is the fact that our entire commercial computer technology is based on bolean logic (AND, OR, NOT, EXCEPT OR, etc) so we would have to figure out a way to integrate such a processing unit into existing technology.

[Walking_Target]

[spymongoose]

Nobody is really sure who struck first, us or the machines, but it was us who schorhed the skies to deny them of a power source. there were survivors, here, there little pockets of humanity... we were that close to going (extinct)

[Christian Nelson]

Don't think just because it isn't human, it can't think.

I have always wondered when they would have multiple option transistors, rathern than on/off. Our brains have many options per neuron, so while our clock speed (so to speak) is slower, we can carry out more operations per cycle, which is why we can balance, run, shoot a paint ball gun and obnoxiously razz our opponents all at the same time. Computers with binary transistors I think will be hard pressed to be able to accomplish that.

This would have to be accompanied by a whole new type of machine code, the ramifications are pretty stunning once it gets rolling though.

As to whether it will have a "soul" or not.. Well, I have no idea. The bible says when the breath of life joined the dirt, the man BECAME a living soul. The implication that the two together make a soul, and presumably when they are separated (when we die) there is no longer a soul there.

I don't believe the bible supports the notion of an "immortal soul"..

I do believe man has been given dominion, and that we were made in the image of our creator. The natural conclusion would be that we could indeed then be capable of creating something in our own image.

Therefore, I do think it is possible.

It won't have God's breath of life in it (but then again, what does that mean? Is it concievable that we could pass that on to this machine? HMMM), but it is possible to be alive, and sentient, and made to be like us (even superior by our measurement).

But, until there is one made, we can say what we believe or don't believe and it will all simply be opinion.

I am sure some group will say it will be an abomination if one is made, and attempt to destroy it.

Who knows? I think it is neat.

[Tugboater203]

WT- I have to give props, I was a little put of on that other thing but that is a funny and appropriate pic and caption!
Tug

[Walking_Target]

Originally Posted by Tugboater203

WT- I have to give props, I was a little put of on that other thing but that is a funny and appropriate pic and caption!
Tug

thanks.

and i'm not trying to be insulting, just pointing out everybody has a different belief system and viewpoint

[Sir Brass]

Originally Posted by Walking_Target

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8...tngsoultb4.jpg

No you cannot has a soul. here's an emotion chip, though

[stevedavidson]

Originally Posted by Sir Brass

They still can't build a true positronic matrix like in Star Trek that is capable of intelligent and autonomous thought. It can try and mimic it, yes, but actually emulate it? Nope. And I know that they never will be able to do it. It takes something MORE than just a neurological computer to make a human actually human. It takes a soul. Creating THAT is something we can NEVER do. Only God can do that.

Depending on your definitions: I can name several 'soulless' humans who are nevertheless considered to posess intelligence and self-awareness.

When (if ever) they 'find' a soul, they'll be able to emulate it. Of course, THAT'S the really impossible task, since once doesn't exist to begin with.

You also need to be asking yourself the really hard questions: are 'we' intelligent and self-aware, or is it just an artifact? Many theorists are now coming to the conclusion that our so-called intelligence and activity in the world is indistinguishable from a sophisticated simulation, and there's no way to determine whether we are or not from 'inside' the simulation.

Simple rules can give rise to all kinds of complex behaviors without any 'intelligence' behind them.

Maybe god's the guy who wrote the super simulation program; now he's playing 'the sims'. Better hope he doesn't get bored...

[Rayodder]

Now scarecrow can finally have a brain.

[Terminator]

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