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[pillage]

Originally Posted by Listessa

You know it's a slap in the face finding gas for $3.30 or so when you live less than 100 miles from a refinery and end up getting stopped by a train with a mile or so of tanker cars rolling along for 10 minutes....

How about paying $3.87 for diesel, when you live less than five miles from a major refinery.

[Azzy]

Want gas to go down? Got to get the dollar worth more, and oil will be cheaper. That simple. kind of.

Well, our dollar isnt worth much because so much of its worth is just debt. National Debt, federal reserve debt (or interest rates), mortgage debt, credit card debt...

And you have a government that is socialising the banking industry and home lending industry... which is making our dollar worth less (while gold gets higher and higher)

it wont happen over night, but dump the credit card. Get rid of it. Pay the damn slave chain off, and our dollar might be worth something again.

Buy american products from companies that arent forced to pay peop-le to sit in cafeterias all day just to appease some union contract.

Skip past the pump that says "Contains Ethanol" which is just eating up our food supply and farmland for a crappy fuel thats bad for human breathing and just as bad on your fuel lines.

Its lots of little things, but the US has been riding the sofa for way too long, and this is the coronary we deserve for it. The only bad thing is that most of the people will go back to sitting on that couch looking for some disability check, while to the rest of us ists a good slap in the face to look at theat next slice of pizza with some hard earned wisdom about health choices.

[Uranus]

The Flintstones had the right Idea

[secretweaponevan]

Originally Posted by Lrrpie-CT

Come on, Evan, you're an intelligent guy. Think that idea through and post the obvious flaw in the logic.

The obvious flaw in the logic is that OPEC still sells the same amount of oil.

Also, AFAIK, actual consumer usage of imported oil is very low. Industry uses the vast majority of it.

Still, I dislike Exxon/Mobil and have boycotted them since I found out that they were buying oil from Iraq (strictly BP/Hess here), so this served another purpose: I like the underdogs.

[incynr8]

In PA, no particular station is required by law to sell their own label's as gasoline.

Exxons and Mobils are likely, but not required to be selling that brand of gasoline.
Most if not all stations are independently owned or (owned/leased) by a local fuel distributor.

Just as you have no clear idea what Wawa or Turkey Hill's are slinging, name 'brands' might be the same truck rolled 5 more miles down the road.

This at least applies to the state of Pennsylvania.


You want gas prices down, start all taking the bus, or a bicycle.

[Azzy]

Or invent a better emthod of extracting oil... OPEC will drop prices to beat out tech here, and keep their supply the cheapest.

[B]

Azzy some of you logic is flawed we have plenty of food stores in this country in fact we sell and or destroy the over stock daily. if ethanol based fuel went in to full scale production the bread basket of the country would suddenly be flush with jobs, industry, and farmers who are not struggling to financially survive. Ethanol fuel is much safer then petrol it is only harmful to fuel systems that are not properly set up for it. ( seals and rubber lines must be changed) The fuel runs cooler, make more horse power, and is far safer to handle than petrol. The whole excuse that it is difficult to transport is an excuse made up buy an industry (trucking aka teamsters) that is being payed off by by the oil cartel.

[Azzy]

No it isnt. Ethanol takes twice the enegry imput of gasoline, with less returns in the same volume. It just does not have the same punch os the good old un-leaded hydrocarbon spirits. Studies also show that the the exaust from ethanol is harsher on the lungs, and can cause athsma with releated exposure.

We also dont run a surplus of food right now, we are now importing wheat from other countries for the first time in history! And only because corn is now mandatory by governemnt decree to be used as a percentage of fuel. Its a giant load of pork spending, nothing more.

Face it, ethanol mixed in your gas is as good as water mixed in your vodka.

[pillage]

Originally Posted by incynr8

In PA, no particular station is required by law to sell their own label's as gasoline.

Exxons and Mobils are likely, but not required to be selling that brand of gasoline.
Most if not all stations are independently owned or (owned/leased) by a local fuel distributor.

Just as you have no clear idea what Wawa or Turkey Hill's are slinging, name 'brands' might be the same truck rolled 5 more miles down the road.

This at least applies to the state of Pennsylvania.


You want gas prices down, start all taking the bus, or a bicycle.

Most of the gas whatever brand comes from the same refineries and goes into the system, so you don't know if you are getting, Saudi, Canadian, South American, or US gas. It has whatever additives added to it at the distributer. There is an Amoco refinery near me and they just pump it into the system like every other manufacturer. So trying to boycott one particular manufacturer doesn't hurt them, just the little guy.

[Christian Nelson]

Ethynol works well as an anti knock agent. That's pretty much it. It is not a very good fuel, does not have the same energy per liter, as gasoline. You want more heat out of fuel, that is the point, more heat, more energy. I am suprised you would say in the same sentence that it creates less heat and more energy, that simply isn't logical.

You wanna get more bang for your buck on an ICE engine? Take almost all of the emmisions crap off it (especially the catalytic converter) take all of the restrictions out of the intake and exhaust systems, add more compression (this actually helps when you wanna add ethynol, the higher the compression the better ethynol, methynol, or alcohol does) ceramic treat your pistons and cylinders, increase the stroke instead of the bore, (kinda like having longer cranks on your bicycle pedals) set up your cam for torque instead of high rev horsepower, and if the omnivalve system proves itself to be robust enough, that would definately be a decent addition. You gear the thing up to higher over drives (less revolutions of the engine= less fuel expelled- to a point, you have to have the grunt to push it) turn the idle speed down as far as you can go, and have it shut itself off if idle-ing for more than a few seconds, and if you really wanna get radical, add water injection to the system.

I garuntee, you'd have cleaner burning cars getting better gasmileage, without the catalytic converters and other crap stuffed all over our cars to choke them out. Another thing, start using more plastic composites in building your cars, make them as light as possible, no reason our cars should weigh as much as they did in the 1970's. Plastic is stronger by the pound, and doesn't rust.

No problem with ethynol as an additive, but E-85 is plain stupid. Ethynol will not give farmers more oppurtunity, it will just drive them further into debt so that big industry can buy out thir farms and hire them for $10 an hour and pay union dues.

In the meantime, corn prices (along with other grains, as people won't be growing them as much) will go through the roof. Food isn't fuel for cars or heaters, it is fuel for people and animals. Use some if you have a surplus as an anti knock/antifreeze/gel agent, but it really isn't good for much more. You start throwing turbos and stuff on high compression engines, you will see a benifit to ethynol, but until then, nope..