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[oldschool]

little off there Carter

E85 is an alcohol fuel mixture that typically contains a mixture of up to 85% denatured fuel ethanol and gasoline or other hydrocarbon by volume. On an undenatured basis, the ethanol component ranges from 70% to 83%. E85 as a fuel is widely used in Sweden and is becoming increasingly common in the United States, mainly in the Midwest where corn is a major crop and is the primary source material for ethanol fuel production; however as yet, there are about 1500[1] filling stations selling E85 to the public in the US, and, until recently, only three in Canada.

Depending on composition and source, E85 has an octane rating of 100 - 105[4] compared to regular gasoline's typical rating of 87 - 93.

E85 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Azzy]

Higher octane, but not enough stored energy. You can just run it in a higher compression engine, and a super high compression engine would be needed to get the efficency off of ethanol that you get off of normal gas.

[incynr8]

i've run an alchy engine.
rail dragster in my early 20s
we ran 14:1 SUPERCHARGED ontop of that and it required 2000+ CFM to feed it enough air.
can't tell you mileage though!
maybe 10 1/4 mile runs between rebuilds, and partial rebuilds every 5!

a high compression rotary might be decent.....but I dont know..

[oldschool]

This is what one of my friends is working on to help solve the food problem -

Would You Eat Lab-Grown Meat? :: Life :: thetyee.ca

Harvesting Meat

well not really - its really being developed for space exploration - but who knows - you too might one day enjoy an delicious Dr. Jimmy's brand Frankenfish Patty - as we call them -

[Rayodder]

might have something to do with Australian rice country is going thru a drought that has lasted more than 5 years, Australian rice production feeds about 200 million people in Asia, when the crop yield drops by 60%.

[sdawg]

Originally Posted by Painthappy

As for "non-traditional media outlets, bypass all these “excuses” and point the finger directly at the similarities between our current situation and previous man-made famines for the end purpose of mass genocide."

That's just plain silly, and there is a reason people are called "nut jobs". That would be the prime example of one.

People didn't believe (or didn't want to believe) that the Holocaust was real when it was happening, either.

The linch pin is oil, which is used for food production at every level: growing (fertilizer) and getting the food to market. Go to your supermarket and look at how much of your produce and other food products were flown/trucked in from the other side of the country or even the other side of the world. When gasoline is up to $7.50/gallon in a couple years, the gravy train is going to be over.

[Schmitti]

That brings up another point with our shopping... we try to buy a lot of locally grown produce or locally made products either at the grocery store or several of the local farmers markets (ther are 4.. Schenectady has 2, Troy has one and Saratoga Springs has another). This includes beer

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[Azzy]

Dont forget all that packaging is made from oil too...

Let em see you make nice high tech composites out of corn...

[Schmitti]

Not corn... but soy:

Soy Bean Bulletin from Henry Ford - Henry Ford's Biological Car


More in a second.

I might have to buy this book: Amazon.com: The Uses of Life: A History of Biotechnology: Robert Bud,Mark F. Cantley: Books

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[sdawg]

I should say that I don't think that there is a conspiracy to cause famine. I think that those of us at the top of the heap in the world economy are going to watch as the die-off from 6 billion to 1 billion happens in our lifetime, while the most we'll suffer (I hope) is that we won't be able to drive up and buy fried meat snacks for $1.99.

Oil is used for all sorts of things we don't think about... inflating those bunkers, making paint, driving the paint to the field, running the compressors for our HPA, making the oil and dow33 for our markers, making o-rings, etc.

Sorry got off topic.

As the price of oil increases, countries that can't afford to buy as much of it won't be able to grow as much food. Unfortunately for these countries, they often have large populations of people for whom a 77% increase in food prices means that they can only afford a handful of rice to eat every two days instead of every day. For middle America, it might mean that we have to get the ground chuck instead of the t-bone.