Reasons to do your research before buying land

slvrwulf · 09-20-2006, 06:24 PM

Trailer, Portable Toilet Placed On Property In Protest

RYE, N.H. -- The owner of a plot of land in Rye is protesting town zoning restrictions by placing a trailer and portable toilet on the property, saying it's all he can put there.

Russ Hilliard of Hampton Falls, N.H., said that he thought he got a great deal when he bought the land for only $7,000. But he learned that there were so many rules against building on the site that placing a trailer and portable toilet there was all he could do.

But the town has served Hilliard with two letters ordering that the toilet and trailer be removed or face a $250 daily fine. Rye building inspectors said the issue has nothing to do with property values but with town rules.

"There's nothing in front of the property, no roads that are maintained," building inspector Susan Zarlengo said. "If there was an emergency, no vehicle could get there -- fire or ambulance."

Because there is no town-maintained access road, Zarlengo said the property can't have structures on it, and, according to the town, a portable toilet and trailer qualify as structures.

"I thought they understood," Zarlengo said. "And then, a couple of days later, a neighbor called and said they brought a trailer on the property."

Hilliard said that he has been trying to build on the property for at least a year, but he has been denied permits. He said he is now in the process of selling the land to his neighbor because he believes he has no other options.

http://www.wmur.com/news/9895871/detail.html

Someone should have done his research before buying the property I guess....I'd be pretty Irate about that though....but if there's no way for (fire/ems) vehicles to get there, and that's the reason he can't build, how do the neighbors have a house bordering his property?

**Also, this is a reason to spell check your thread title before posting

Al Ray · 09-20-2006, 06:39 PM

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but if there's no way for (fire/ems) vehicles to get there, and that's the reason he can't build, how do the neighbors have a house bordering his property?

That would be my question as well. And why would it have to be a county/city road. Heck here in Colorado people buy land, cut there own dirt road to there house, sometimes right through BLM land, although the BLM usualy makes them run the road throught there property to adjacent BLM land and allow people to use it as an access road.

Permits are good in some ways, buit IMHO bad in most. I say build a house, ta heck with the city. The citys are all crooks anyway for the most part, and its not like hes trying to build an exotic pig farm in a residentail part of town. Chances are the zoneing has to do with the "influential" neighbors wanting there veiw not be "obstructed" or some major BS.

Schmitti · 09-20-2006, 07:00 PM

If his neighbor has access then he too can get access...

Erik Puts of his Civil Engineer hat......

First. No property should be sold that does not have access to public roads. First and foremost.. if he couldn't build on it, then the land legally should not have been allowed to be sold as a separate parcel to someone who did not already own an ajoining property.... so he could probable sue the previous owner because of that.

Second, he could always get an access easement from who ever owns the property that is between his property and the nearest road.. then he could put a driveway in and everything would be kosher. One of his neighbors has to have access to the road otherwise they would all be in violation of the same law.. and he could then take the town to couart for allowing the other homes to be built.

Anyways... takes off hat.. that's my take without having the local ordinance in hand.

E

Greywolf · 09-20-2006, 08:19 PM

If a vehicle can get in with a trailer and a portable toilet, then an ambulance can get in.
I dunno about a fire truck, depends on how big the trailer was, but either way there is at least some access, I'd say. Just a matter of making it legal.

Ben

slvrwulf · 09-20-2006, 08:20 PM

That was my understanding...and besides that, it's NH....you know half the guys on the local volunteer dept have jeeps/trucks with lift kits and mudding tires....

Schmitti · 09-20-2006, 08:58 PM

When they say access they are referring to frontage... some how this guy bought what is called a flag lot... but with out the access strip that connects the flag with the road.... that's why I was saying it was not legal for him to buy (Actually for some one to sell it to him) unless he owned an ajoining property... hell that's not even correct.. It would not be legal so far as just about every zoning and/or subdivision and land development ordinance I have ever seen to, as a property owner, create a parcel of land that did not have access to a roadway (sometimes municipalities have a minimum required width for this access/frontage... he may have 10 feet and they may require 25).

Anyways.. again without seeing the actual SLDO or Zoning book, that's what I think.. and no I'm not going to go looking for it...because as I have found from talking with my parents.. some of you Northern states are not all that civilized and don't have zoning or sldo's.... neanderthals!!!

ETS, P.E.

blackrain · 09-20-2006, 09:01 PM

Isn't there such thing as "Disclosure Law" in NH? Meaning he could actually take the Realtor and land seller to court for not disclosing this information prior to sale? Even I received one when I bought my property and Home. ie meaning loud neighbors,building rights, access roads,police break in reports. Just to name a few.
Later,
Blackrain

Painthappy · 09-20-2006, 09:05 PM

Yes BR... that should have ALL been in the deed... he probably thought he could get the zoning board to re-zone it in his favor, but it didn't happen... and now he's bitching.

Uranus · 09-20-2006, 09:12 PM

Hmm, make it into a Paintball Field

slvrwulf · 09-20-2006, 09:14 PM

if we want to start an MCB NH field, there's a 55 acre lot for sale on Rt 4 in Epsomish area

09-20-2006, 06:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
slvrwulf Yiffy Support Gunner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NH Posts: 234	Reasons to do your research before buying land Trailer, Portable Toilet Placed On Property In Protest RYE, N.H. -- The owner of a plot of land in Rye is protesting town zoning restrictions by placing a trailer and portable toilet on the property, saying it's all he can put there. Russ Hilliard of Hampton Falls, N.H., said that he thought he got a great deal when he bought the land for only $7,000. But he learned that there were so many rules against building on the site that placing a trailer and portable toilet there was all he could do. But the town has served Hilliard with two letters ordering that the toilet and trailer be removed or face a $250 daily fine. Rye building inspectors said the issue has nothing to do with property values but with town rules. "There's nothing in front of the property, no roads that are maintained," building inspector Susan Zarlengo said. "If there was an emergency, no vehicle could get there -- fire or ambulance." Because there is no town-maintained access road, Zarlengo said the property can't have structures on it, and, according to the town, a portable toilet and trailer qualify as structures. "I thought they understood," Zarlengo said. "And then, a couple of days later, a neighbor called and said they brought a trailer on the property." Hilliard said that he has been trying to build on the property for at least a year, but he has been denied permits. He said he is now in the process of selling the land to his neighbor because he believes he has no other options. http://www.wmur.com/news/9895871/detail.html Someone should have done his research before buying the property I guess....I'd be pretty Irate about that though....but if there's no way for (fire/ems) vehicles to get there, and that's the reason he can't build, how do the neighbors have a house bordering his property? *Also, this is a reason to spell check your thread title before posting Last edited by slvrwulf; 09-20-2006 at 06:35 PM.*

09-20-2006, 08:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Greywolf MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 152	If a vehicle can get in with a trailer and a portable toilet, then an ambulance can get in. I dunno about a fire truck, depends on how big the trailer was, but either way there is at least some access, I'd say. Just a matter of making it legal. Ben __________________ It's not what you buy, it's how you use it.

09-20-2006, 08:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
slvrwulf Yiffy Support Gunner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NH Posts: 234	That was my understanding...and besides that, it's NH....you know half the guys on the local volunteer dept have jeeps/trucks with lift kits and mudding tires....

09-20-2006, 09:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
blackrain MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: America Posts: 2,851	Isn't there such thing as "Disclosure Law" in NH? Meaning he could actually take the Realtor and land seller to court for not disclosing this information prior to sale? Even I received one when I bought my property and Home. ie meaning loud neighbors,building rights, access roads,police break in reports. Just to name a few. Later, Blackrain

09-20-2006, 09:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
Painthappy I Am The Admin Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Boston, NH Posts: 5,291	Yes BR... that should have ALL been in the deed... he probably thought he could get the zoning board to re-zone it in his favor, but it didn't happen... and now he's bitching.

09-20-2006, 09:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
slvrwulf Yiffy Support Gunner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NH Posts: 234	if we want to start an MCB NH field, there's a 55 acre lot for sale on Rt 4 in Epsomish area