Does this piss you guys off too? - Page 3

idkfa · 07-26-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sable

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and the whole point of this thread was for everyone to state that opinion.

cattle, in my opinion, are killed very humanely. i am not a vegan or a vegetarian, and im sure some of you will probably give me hell and call me a hypocrite, much like postal_bob calling me stupid.

but the way i see it, cattle and other food animals are bred for one purpose only. as sad as it may be, cattle are only bred for food. they are not very smart, and they have alot of meat. if we used an eagle for food, there would be about one cup worth of usable meat.

Fur is a different story. some fur animals are also game animals and are hunted for sport. mink and sable are hunted for their fine fur, and sables have become nearly extinct.

Seal hunts, for any reason, are cruel. how would you feel if someone knocked you over the head with a baseball bat, then sunk a large nail into yeur head and drug you around by it for awhile?

Learn your facts. A single hard blow to the head, in almost all cases, will kill the seal instantly. This is far more humane than the other two options, being a rifle or what is basically a spear. THEY DIE WHEN YOU HIT THEM. Do not believe any of the BS spouted by 'animal welfare' groups that they are only "stunned" or "paralyzed" and are skinned alive. They are not. They are killed the moment you hit them.

This has nothing to do with your opinion, or hiding behind it because "you guys can't get mad at me because everyone is entitled to their own opinion", it is you spouting facts which are incorrect.

And one more thing, before one more person brings up the whole baby seal issue, it has been illegal, for over 15 years, to kill white coats (i.e. the babies) in Canada. Yes, it sometimes happens illegally, but name a single animal related industry that does NOT have the occasional issue. The animal groups mostly reuse photos from the early 90s when it was still legal.

sable · 07-26-2008, 12:25 PM

i never mentioned baby seals. never. none of my posts have included the word baby anywhere in there.

i dont live in canada. i have not seen a seal hunt take place. i have only seen picture and read stories.

so instead of calling me stupid, why dont you give me the correct information.

Frink · 07-26-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sable

no. i would feel the same way.

another cruelty that angers me is seal hunts. every time i see a baby seal about to be clubbed to death, i feel the urge to rip the testicles from off of the seal hunter and shove them down his throat. then i would say something like "i bet you feel like a big tough guy now"

lol

sable · 07-26-2008, 01:16 PM

damn.

okay i said baby. but only once.

people, there is no need to get this too serious. we arent arguing here. we are discussing.

PJ · 07-26-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by idkfa

Learn your facts. A single hard blow to the head, in almost all cases, will kill the seal instantly. This is far more humane than the other two options, being a rifle or what is basically a spear. THEY DIE WHEN YOU HIT THEM. Do not believe any of the BS spouted by 'animal welfare' groups that they are only "stunned" or "paralyzed" and are skinned alive. They are not. They are killed the moment you hit them.

Playing devil's advocate here, but what about those times when the "single hard blow to the head" isn't enough to kill it, club it some more? Just as you tell others to state the facts, you must as well.

SHOOT3R USA · 07-26-2008, 03:35 PM

Being an avid hunter, I'll put my input in. Bird hunting is ok in my book. Quail, duck and other birds. But if it was an eagle then thats just wrong. The eagle is the symbol of our country and by shooting one it shows disrespect to your country. They are also on the endangered species list, which again is just plain ****ed up.

PJ · 07-26-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SHOOT3R USA

Being an avid hunter, I'll put my input in. Bird hunting is ok in my book. Quail, duck and other birds. But if it was an eagle then thats just wrong. The eagle is the symbol of our country and by shooting one it shows disrespect to your country. They are also on the endangered species list, which again is just plain ****ed up.

They're not on the Endangered nor the Threaten Species list anymore!

Listessa · 07-26-2008, 05:34 PM

You know, it's sad since the eagle (or when this happens to any animal) is just maimed to the extent it will die a slow death while suffering due to something a person did to it. Yes, I personally think it sucks when a deer gets hit by a car and stumbles off injured and bleeding to die in the woods too. It should be put out of its misery.

Randomly for people talking about shooting crows, aren't they part of that Migratory Bird Act? Ravens are protected too even though they're everywhere and tend to be a bit of a nuisance for a lot of people.

Seal fur is very nice- at least up here you have to have a certain (high) percentage of Native heritage to be allowed to even own a full seal or sea otter skin. You can purchase goods made of seal and sea otter from the Natives which does help support them too. The pelts are really fascinating, in that they retain their waterproof nature, and I had no idea sea otter was that soft. I gave my grandfather a nice pair of mittens for his birthday last year after the AK Native Tribal Conference thing. He really liked them.

idkfa · 07-26-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PJ

Playing devil's advocate here, but what about those times when the "single hard blow to the head" isn't enough to kill it, club it some more? Just as you tell others to state the facts, you must as well.

In most cases, it is enough to kill. From what I have seen, they generally hit it a few more times for good measure. It seems to be a very rare occurrence that a seal is processed while alive. While this is still not acceptable, the seal hunt is no more brutal than any other animal hunting/processing endeavor.

And thanks for making mention of that, it was something I should have explained a bit better.

And sable, I did not call you stupid (or meant for it to look that way), I just questioned your facts. If I thought you were stupid, I would not have bothered trying to explain things.

Mstrtal · 07-26-2008, 06:28 PM

Meat is Yummy. Torture should be reserved for Humans who can understand and rationalize the process.

07-26-2008, 05:34 PM	#28 (permalink)
Listessa Stitching through Winter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Fairbanks, AK	You know, it's sad since the eagle (or when this happens to any animal) is just maimed to the extent it will die a slow death while suffering due to something a person did to it. Yes, I personally think it sucks when a deer gets hit by a car and stumbles off injured and bleeding to die in the woods too. It should be put out of its misery. Randomly for people talking about shooting crows, aren't they part of that Migratory Bird Act? Ravens are protected too even though they're everywhere and tend to be a bit of a nuisance for a lot of people. Seal fur is very nice- at least up here you have to have a certain (high) percentage of Native heritage to be allowed to even own a full seal or sea otter skin. You can purchase goods made of seal and sea otter from the Natives which does help support them too. The pelts are really fascinating, in that they retain their waterproof nature, and I had no idea sea otter was that soft. I gave my grandfather a nice pair of mittens for his birthday last year after the AK Native Tribal Conference thing. He really liked them. __________________ The correct question is, "Why don't I need another gun?" How strange to see a lagomorph of such bravery. Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo- Don't Ask Us- We Will Tell! Facilis est Descensus Averni. <--Click to descend to my feedback. NO'MAAM #2"National Organization Members Against AGG Metrosexuals" Rouge Cell #3

07-26-2008, 12:25 PM	#22 (permalink)
sable Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Houston, TX	i never mentioned baby seals. never. none of my posts have included the word baby anywhere in there. i dont live in canada. i have not seen a seal hunt take place. i have only seen picture and read stories. so instead of calling me stupid, why dont you give me the correct information.

07-26-2008, 01:16 PM	#24 (permalink)
sable Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Houston, TX	damn. okay i said baby. but only once. people, there is no need to get this too serious. we arent arguing here. we are discussing.

07-26-2008, 03:35 PM	#26 (permalink)
SHOOT3R USA Lets go Mountaineers! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: West Virginia	Being an avid hunter, I'll put my input in. Bird hunting is ok in my book. Quail, duck and other birds. But if it was an eagle then thats just wrong. The eagle is the symbol of our country and by shooting one it shows disrespect to your country. They are also on the endangered species list, which again is just plain ****ed up.