General

[kutulu]

Lets see.... abolish the Cia, FBI, Homeland Security, Federal Reserve, and IRS for starters.

[WilD]

I agree, there are federal agencies that can and should be completely cut. Trim the rest back a bit. The federal governement is so huge and bloated it is hard to believe. I doubt most people in governent even realize how rediculously huge it is, never mind the average person who probably hasn't heard of most of the rediculous agencies and gains no benefit from any of them.

[ScrapIron]

I'm hesitant to buy into the whole "Fair Tax will get rid of the IRS" BS.

Let me put it this way. If I own a business and I'm selling things retail I charge the buyers the extra X% of the fair tax. Now how does the government get that cash out of my business?
Magic fair tax pixies come in the middle of the night and audit my books?
Hell enough businesses already cheat the sales tax system as it is.

[desertT1]

Originally Posted by ScrapIron

I'm hesitant to buy into the whole "Fair Tax will get rid of the IRS" BS.

Let me put it this way. If I own a business and I'm selling things retail I charge the buyers the extra X% of the fair tax. Now how does the government get that cash out of my business?
Magic fair tax pixies come in the middle of the night and audit my books?
Hell enough businesses already cheat the sales tax system as it is.

I couldn't honestly answer that. Neal Boortz, who is a more vocal proponent of the fair tax, has written two books and the second (to my knowledge) is more of a Q&A book. I'm planning on reading at least that one during Christmas break.

[Azzy]

Originally Posted by ScrapIron

I'm hesitant to buy into the whole "Fair Tax will get rid of the IRS" BS.

Let me put it this way. If I own a business and I'm selling things retail I charge the buyers the extra X% of the fair tax. Now how does the government get that cash out of my business?
Magic fair tax pixies come in the middle of the night and audit my books?
Hell enough businesses already cheat the sales tax system as it is.

Well, as a buisness, that would be the only tax you would have to deal with. no social security, no FICA, no income, no corporate, no dividend taxes.. etc etc.

Heck, they found in Russia after they went to a flat wax that people were more willing to pay it because it was set at one place and easy to work with.

Granted, i am sure there will be some agency that sdeals in some part as an IRS, but it could be slimmed down bigtime.

[ScrapIron]

so the IRS won't be "abolished"?
or are you saying we'll have a newer smaller "fair tax agency"? because that seems kind of wasteful considering we've already got signage and stationary etc.. stamped with "I.R.S."

[desertT1]

Originally Posted by ScrapIron

so the IRS won't be "abolished"?
or are you saying we'll have a newer smaller "fair tax agency"? because that seems kind of wasteful considering we've already got signage and stationary etc.. stamped with "I.R.S."

The IRS goes away and oversight is still in the hands of the Treasury Department

Americans For Fair Taxation:

That page addresses two concerns brought up. The first section in the link addresses poverty level taxes. The second section talks a little bit about who and how the tax collection is managed.

[Christian Nelson]

The institution known today as the IRS violates constitutional rights daily. It could be replaced by an agency that doesn't.. Not only that, but it could easily be more focused on businesses, rather than on everybody else.

Most businesses need accountants anyways, that means a paper trail.

Oh, and across the board cuts, Limit the feds to what the constitution allows for.

This means ZERO federal dollars going to Schools, ZERO federal dollars going to welfare, etc.

Military, almost all foriegn bases, especially with no strategic value closed. Military would be cut majorly.

FBI, ATF, IRS, any agency whose sole purpose in it's creation was to circumvent the constitution should be disbanded. You'd be surprised how much less tax money would be needed then.

[ih8cornnuts]

Cutting the physical size is one part the other is their power. I dont want the gov't telling me I need this or not that.

I started reading the fairtax book and its def. a cool idea. Its not as simple as most people talk. I would recommend the book, its entertaining too but thats just Neal Boortz style. He's local to Atlanta so its hard to miss him.

[Azzy]

Under the Ron Paul plan, with all those cuts, we wouldn't need a tax system. Just the fees that government collects on licensing and tariffs would support what it would do.

Think of it, no bureaucrats out there, who's sole duty is to go to the office, and do nothing, but occasionally make up a regulation that instantly makes a group of US citizens criminals or saints, depending on how the tax hammer swings.