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S7G 04-21-2006 10:18 PM

Jane Fonda.........
 
While I believe I have seen this before I will still post it.
I have had the sinsere pleasure of meeting many of the fine men that she hosed over with her little trips.
My wife got pissed at me when we first got married for destroying her Tratior workout video.
Anyways flame suit on!
After all it can be fun to be toasted once in awhile.

Lest we forget!
P-3

She really was a traitor!

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA
This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
"100 Women of the Century."
BY BARBRA WALTERS
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam.
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "Hanoi Hilton."
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant's feet, which
sent that officer berserk.
In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.
From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.
When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.
Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)
We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.
I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.
These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.
There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget.

Robertsr 04-21-2006 11:12 PM

A lot of this has been Snoped

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

Not that she didn't go and say some very nasty things to POW's and get completely used as walking propaganda by the NV goverment, but a lot of that particular e-mail has been debunked.

shartley 04-22-2006 06:40 AM

I saw her interviewed on Larry King the other day…. She made me sick. I will leave it at that.

Wharf Rat 04-22-2006 10:06 AM

I am a peacenik, but JF discredited the legitimate arguments that could be used by those who opposed the war and it weakened resistance rather than helped. She lied, neglected fellow US citizens and chose to believe the NVA reps when Ray Charles could have seen the truth. She's a liar and a traitor and doesn't deserve any awards. P

pillage 04-24-2006 07:07 AM

This last year a Vietnam vet casually walked up to her at one of her book signings and gave her a tobacco juice salute. He was arrested for spitting on her, but I personally find it funny as hell.

ScrapIron 04-24-2006 12:17 PM

this might be a little out of the norm, but...

I can't really say I hate Jane Fonda.
she apologized, and has done so repeatedly, yes she did stupid things in the 60s, but seing as how I'm not a child of that era I can't really see myself holding a grudge against her when she's stated plenty of times how sorry she was.

I figure she's not really worth my time, to either love or hate.
After all, she never was a very good actress, and she's getting up there in years so if her apologies weren't enough then she'll pay the price when the Marines guarding the pearly gates declare "access denied Ms. Fonda"

Other than those views I don't really see much of a point to beating that dead horse.

shartley 04-24-2006 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScrapIron
this might be a little out of the norm, but...

I can't really say I hate Jane Fonda.
she apologized, and has done so repeatedly, yes she did stupid things in the 60s, but seing as how I'm not a child of that era I can't really see myself holding a grudge against her when she's stated plenty of times how sorry she was.

I figure she's not really worth my time, to either love or hate.
After all, she never was a very good actress, and she's getting up there in years so if her apologies weren't enough then she'll pay the price when the Marines guarding the pearly gates declare "access denied Ms. Fonda"

Other than those views I don't really see much of a point to beating that dead horse.

I don’t “hate” her either. But I strongly disagree with what she did and continues to do.

Point of correction… yes she has “apologized” for her actions in the past. But she did so with qualifiers. And she continues to say the same things she said in the past. Like I said, I saw her on the Larry King show the other day and she said the exact same things she said back in the Vietnam era, and she expanded them to cover every military operation going on today. So how “sorry” she was is debatable. Do not confuse an “apology” with being “sorry”. More so when she continues the same type of actions and statements.

Robertsr 04-24-2006 12:36 PM

I put her in the same basket of entertainers who try to tell me how terrible the US is while cashing million dollar paychecks.

"We pay you to dance and entertain us monkey, not to tell us how to think! Now shut up and dance!"

pillage 04-25-2006 01:48 PM

Jane Fonda's apology probably came about as her past actions were affecting her business interests. At best they were a meaningless Bart Simpson style apology, at worst they were even more of an insult to the service members past and present. Like Roberst said, " Just shut up and dance monkey, I can think for myself."

ScrapIron 04-25-2006 02:20 PM

Quote:

Jane Fonda's apology probably came about as her past actions were affecting her business interests. At best they were a meaningless Bart Simpson style apology,
I just don't feel its my place to judge her and don't think she's worth the time to bother with.
Don't take this the wrong way, but in a sense of "even bad publicity is good publicity" kind of way I think that the military and vets that like to bring up her actions and try to chop away at her, are giving her more publicity than she deserves. I'd rather we were saying "Jane who?" rather than all the hateful sentiments from our servicemen.

thats just me.
stop beating the horse, let her die, and when the Marines guarding the gates to heaven send her *** packing, I'll call that justice.

Holy **** have I developed a sense of faith? Damn I must be getting old.


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