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[cfos00]

I would love for Fedor to come into the UFC, but the only way that happens if he somehow decides to stop working with M1. And that doesn't seem all that likely since he's involved in their ownership.

[rdogx78]

Originally Posted by coyote

Don't worry bro...

Those who have been into the sport for years know better. Lesnar has pre MMA resume on par with Randleman, Frye, Coleman, Severn, Jackson, and Couture.

Kimbo is a fraud though. The next generation of Tank Abbot, knockout power that gets smothered when he faces off with anyone with tools. At least Kimbo has the sense to be fitter than Abbot.

I don't agree with you on Kimbo being like Tank. Kimbo's got the willingness to learn about becoming a well rounded fighter. He's got the tools, no doubt he just needs to learn how to use them. On the filpside, Liddell in a way is no different than Tank he was just a stand up guy and never took it to the ground unless the opponent did. Then you got a guy like Tito who will fight standing on the ground or however the fight ends up. Kimbo needs to be more fluid. Again once he was on his back he had no idea what to do. I think Rampage failed him because he didn't teach him the basics of ground defense and needing to stay in full guard.

Kimbo will keep pushing forward once he gets with a good camp.

[cfos00]

I would not agree with you on the Lidell not having ground skills like Tank. Chuck was actually a D1 wrestler, and did use that in his fights. He just didn't use it offensively. He has some of the best takedown defense ever, and was one of the hardest guys in the game to keep on his back. That came from his wrestling background. Offensively, he was definitely a one trick ponies, but it was one heck of a trick. He made other fighters one dimensional in the fights against him by controlling where fights took place with that defensive wrestling skill.

One thing bugs me a lot about Kimbo right now. He's been a pro fighter for a few years now, and his ground skills haven't seemed to have improved very much. In his fight last night, he got stuck in a crucifix, and had no answer at all. That wasn't the first time he has been in that position. He was stuck in a crucifix against James Thompson too. I just wonder how, in course of the past few years, that exact escape didn't come up. Wouldn't you make sure you knew the escape after it had been done to you in a major fight? Rampage only had him for a couple weeks at the point of his fight, so I have a hard time putting this on him. How did he not get more training on his ground game over the past few years to learn some escapes? What was he doing in his camps and what were they teaching him? It's not like it wasn't glaringly obvious where his holes were....

It just seemed very odd to me, and he is reminding me a lot of Houston Alexander in his career arc. I really hope he gets better, and learns something in the ground game. It's always better to have more good fighters around.

[ConradNorCal]

Kimbo slice is a joke compared to real ufc fighters....

I really wish he would just go away..........

[coyote]

Originally Posted by rdogx78

I don't agree with you on Kimbo being like Tank. Kimbo's got the willingness to learn about becoming a well rounded fighter. He's got the tools, no doubt he just needs to learn how to use them. On the filpside, Liddell in a way is no different than Tank he was just a stand up guy and never took it to the ground unless the opponent did. Then you got a guy like Tito who will fight standing on the ground or however the fight ends up. Kimbo needs to be more fluid. Again once he was on his back he had no idea what to do. I think Rampage failed him because he didn't teach him the basics of ground defense and needing to stay in full guard.

Kimbo will keep pushing forward once he gets with a good camp.

Liddell wrestled at Cal Poly. That was part of his skill set. he used a quallity takedown defense to create striking angles.

Kimbo has no genuine fighting background. He was a football player and a bouncer. Beating up gomers on youtube doesn't make you a professional fighter. EliteXE used his name tell sell views, good marketing of a bad fighter. Bas Rutten as a coach was a brilliant choice as well, as Bas knows better than anyone how you can be exposed when you aren't well rounded. Petruzelli admitted in an interview he was paid a bonus to keep the fight with Slice standing. Even the promoters knew Kimbo had no real chance, and offered a cash incentive to get his opponent to carry him.

He will spend what little career he will have matched against unknown irrelevant competition. He has already passed a fighters peak years (27-32) and doesn't have the basics nailed down. He is simply a name to market until he isn't worth putting on a card any longer.

[Ramous]

Originally Posted by Goat

I am really suprised at how Humble Kimbo is, Its refreshing to see a guy like him act that way after a loss..
I look for him to capitalize on the oportunity he has on this show and better his ground game....
We'll see Kimbo in the octagon again I Guuurrr-AAnnnnn-Teeeee

Hes actually there to improve himself as a fighter, hes said it himself, hes a fighter, not a mixed martial artist. He joined the show to prove that he has what it takes and to improve his fighting skills, unlike the guy that beat him who just has a fat head. Im still disappointed that he lost, especially to that guy.

[RepomanGene]

the solid ground game is the reason alot of these camps are full of ex-wrestler background types instead of strikers.

seems to me ( and I am no MMA trainer ) teaching a striker the ground game is the harder road.

[rdogx78]

Coyote those are valid points and you could be right. However you can't doubt his willingness to learn and improve regardless of his background. Granted he is coming in late in the game, but we'll have to see what happens in this season. About the payoff, Petruzelli won that fight anyways so I don't think it's relevant whether he was paid an incentive. If he's more skilled then he'd beat Kimbo no matter what.

[cfos00]

Total side note, but a buddy of mine works as a consultant for deloitte, and is working on a bunch of military bases for the next few months. He knows nothing about mma but knows I love it. He shot me a text yesterday. He was at fort lee and was at an Army ultimate warrior event, and spent the day hanging out with a guy he thought was name Horace from Brazil who he knew was a bit of a big deal.

Turns out it was Royce Gracie, who was there for the event and he had been pronouncing/misunderstanding his name all day. Royalty in MMA and my buddy had no clue. Cool that Royce would come in for an Army event like that.

[coyote]

Originally Posted by rdogx78

Coyote those are valid points and you could be right. However you can't doubt his willingness to learn and improve regardless of his background. Granted he is coming in late in the game, but we'll have to see what happens in this season. About the payoff, Petruzelli won that fight anyways so I don't think it's relevant whether he was paid an incentive. If he's more skilled then he'd beat Kimbo no matter what.

I just worry about Kimbo himself. I see the potential for a modern day version of the movie "The Harder They Fall". Primo Carnera's career was fraught with fixes and frauds. I just don't want to see the guy played for a sucker and end up broke or hurt because he trusted the wrong people.

Any promoter that would pay a fighter to carry an opponent is exactly the kind of scum that fits that mold.

I respect Kimbo's willingness to learn, don't get me wrong there. I also realize that a season on the ultimate fighter is better for a career than bouncing nightclubs and playing "bodyguard" for a bunch of porn guys.