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Old 12-27-2010, 11:14 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Hay Scarecrow.
From Reading the thread, it looks like you have at least one gun about halfway completed or more and a few odds and ends for the others there aswell.
Dont get me wrong i think you need a kick in the ***. though saying that, i would be somewhat willing to lend a hand (seams other put a hand forward aswell in respect to the file conversion, hope you Pm,ed them).
E_MACHINE_SHOP.COM, What are you thinking there. They offer a good service and may be what you want if you are looking to get like a one off part made, say a wax mould. As from what i read there was to be cast parts. though not knowing how many orders you took, having mulitpul parts made there will push you into the red and it seams every doller counts here.
I would be willing to draw any parts you need to finish this project in 3D cad software. I may put together G-Code as well depending on who you deal with for machining. Though any file type that your chosen machinest needs, i will output for them. You could send any files you have of any bar napkin drawings and you will get a file that you can take to a machine shop and get made a lot cheeper than the amature aproach you are thinking with emachineshop.
congrats on posting your phone number there, least people can call you for a update instead on getting it here.

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Old 12-28-2010, 06:32 AM   #132 (permalink)
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It gets done when it gets done.
You'll have to forgive me if I'm not in agreeance with that..... . Really? We went from a 3 month time frame to an indefinite completion time? Again, I'm not trying to be a turd, but an estimated completion date (even if it's an educated guess) would sure make me feel better.
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Old 12-28-2010, 01:31 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Old 12-28-2010, 05:33 PM   #134 (permalink)
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I'm past the "life gets in the way" excuses. I'm a patient person but the blatant lack of communication is not acceptable to me. I didn't even see an apology for not giving us any updates or the lack of communication. And I shouldn't have to call Scarecrow to get constant updates on this project, that's just absurd. It's his obligation to be in contact with his customers not the other way around.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:58 AM   #135 (permalink)
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From what i have seen on here a lot of pre orders have ended in tears. That kind of suck, i for one would not be involved in a pre order unless the builder had a track record. And say if i wanted to build 10 gun for people on here, after the prototype i dought i would have the funds to go through a 10x build with my own funding.

though after all this is a buiness transaction. and if you dont have the funds to do the build off the bat, there is the option of preorder. and scarecrow as this is buiness trnsaction noone cares about your personal missfortune and hardship, they just want what they are rightfully owed. i guess this is where the internet as a global media fails the buyers. unlike a face to face transaction there is a lot less recall over the internet is the deal turns sour. i know in my business i have hit the walls a couple times though no matter what it takes (this may be including loosing money or kissing *** or doing many extras that were not part of the contract) the job will always be completed.

I think here at MCB we need to get some rules made for pre-orders.
1, to get 100% upfront, a proven track record and vouched by 3 order crediable members.
2, Progressive payments.
A buid line is to be subimited, this is to show in want order the parts are to be made. ie frame,trigger,sear,hammer,valve pin ect. To be laid out in a spreadsheat or simlar format. this is then to be broken up into a max of 8 section and a minimun of 4-5.
a max of 20% deposit can be made this is to fund the 1st build section and keep a liitle fallback. the once the 1st section is completed, anoter 10% payment can be asked for to complete the 2nd section. so on.

this would be a little extra work for all involved. though should help bring some credibility back to the pre-order for those that have be burnt or not wanting to get burnt of newcommers.
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Old 12-29-2010, 02:49 PM   #136 (permalink)
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From what i have seen on here a lot of pre orders have ended in tears. That kind of suck, i for one would not be involved in a pre order unless the builder had a track record. And say if i wanted to build 10 gun for people on here, after the prototype i dought i would have the funds to go through a 10x build with my own funding.

though after all this is a buiness transaction. and if you dont have the funds to do the build off the bat, there is the option of preorder. and scarecrow as this is buiness trnsaction noone cares about your personal missfortune and hardship, they just want what they are rightfully owed. i guess this is where the internet as a global media fails the buyers. unlike a face to face transaction there is a lot less recall over the internet is the deal turns sour. i know in my business i have hit the walls a couple times though no matter what it takes (this may be including loosing money or kissing *** or doing many extras that were not part of the contract) the job will always be completed.

I think here at MCB we need to get some rules made for pre-orders.
1, to get 100% upfront, a proven track record and vouched by 3 order crediable members.
2, Progressive payments.
A buid line is to be subimited, this is to show in want order the parts are to be made. ie frame,trigger,sear,hammer,valve pin ect. To be laid out in a spreadsheat or simlar format. this is then to be broken up into a max of 8 section and a minimun of 4-5.
a max of 20% deposit can be made this is to fund the 1st build section and keep a liitle fallback. the once the 1st section is completed, anoter 10% payment can be asked for to complete the 2nd section. so on.

this would be a little extra work for all involved. though should help bring some credibility back to the pre-order for those that have be burnt or not wanting to get burnt of newcommers.
even proven guys fall out sometimes though... ie Noxx, punisher, Noxx is trying, i believe that. Punisher is a crook.
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:12 PM   #137 (permalink)
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From what i have seen on here a lot of pre orders have ended in tears. That kind of suck, i for one would not be involved in a pre order unless the builder had a track record. And say if i wanted to build 10 gun for people on here, after the prototype i dought i would have the funds to go through a 10x build with my own funding.

though after all this is a buiness transaction. and if you dont have the funds to do the build off the bat, there is the option of preorder. and scarecrow as this is buiness trnsaction noone cares about your personal missfortune and hardship, they just want what they are rightfully owed. i guess this is where the internet as a global media fails the buyers. unlike a face to face transaction there is a lot less recall over the internet is the deal turns sour. i know in my business i have hit the walls a couple times though no matter what it takes (this may be including loosing money or kissing *** or doing many extras that were not part of the contract) the job will always be completed.

I think here at MCB we need to get some rules made for pre-orders.
1, to get 100% upfront, a proven track record and vouched by 3 order crediable members.
2, Progressive payments.
A buid line is to be subimited, this is to show in want order the parts are to be made. ie frame,trigger,sear,hammer,valve pin ect. To be laid out in a spreadsheat or simlar format. this is then to be broken up into a max of 8 section and a minimun of 4-5.
a max of 20% deposit can be made this is to fund the 1st build section and keep a liitle fallback. the once the 1st section is completed, anoter 10% payment can be asked for to complete the 2nd section. so on.

this would be a little extra work for all involved. though should help bring some credibility back to the pre-order for those that have be burnt or not wanting to get burnt of newcommers.

I can offer a set of rules:

Caveat Emptor.

THe mods have talked about what is called 'Vapor Ware' (stuff that does not yet exist) ad nauseum...

Maybe it is time to ban the practice.

I have a company, and I make stuff, and I have yet to take a dollar from a client without the product in my hand. Better that way.

Lets have a lookey-loo at a little list:

NXL55 pre-order
H8tr pre-order
Scarecrow Lever pre-order
Crowdbuster Pre-order
MicroMag2k9 pre-order
Gray ghost pre-order

the list goes on and on... some get done, some don't. There comes a point in time though where failure to act on the part of the disatisfied buyers constitutes aquiesence as no one would believe such an unreasonable delay. Up to you guys to decide when and if to act.
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Old 12-29-2010, 05:53 PM   #138 (permalink)
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I have no dog in this fight, but I must say that there comes a point in time where the guarantee of goods or lack there of must be turned into a refund. There are a few on here who through their kind heart are willing to look the other way and continue to sympathize for them, but I feel this is not the majority. I am a very caring person for individuals whether I know them personally or not...but ultimately this is business. Speaking strictly for myself, if I promised something and took other peoples money in exchange for this I would do whatever legal means necessary to provide a refund. Even if it means taking out a second mortgage on my house, getting a second job, etc. When it goes into a year or more on a project with no product...completely unacceptable. Unfortunately it comes down to the old adage "BUYER BEWARE".
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Old 12-29-2010, 11:57 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Pre-order is helpful to manufacturers who are trying to astablish a business from scratch when there is no upfront capital available. How else can the little guy ever move up with out that option?
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Old 12-30-2010, 12:19 AM   #140 (permalink)
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Pre-order is helpful to manufacturers who are trying to astablish a business from scratch when there is no upfront capital available. How else can the little guy ever move up with out that option?
get credit.
borrow from loved ones.
start small (build one, sell it, build two, then four etc....)
I ordered 40 shirts the first time, just ordered 100 pair of pants.... it can happen!
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