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[Legion]

Very valid points

[y0da900]

And one other random thing I thought of - going with a searless system allows us to have pneumatic triggers without violating the PTP patent on pneu-triggers.

[Legion]

And one other random thing I thought of - going with a searless system allows us to have pneumatic triggers without violating the PTP patent on pneu-triggers.

That would only be a concern if we were marketing them. We can build anything we want.

[y0da900]

Originally Posted by Legion

That would only be a concern if we were marketing them. We can build anything we want.

It wouldn't be worth it for anyone to pursue tinkers, but they are still legally in their right to do so.

[dead possum]

as to the copy right, wouldnt it only be an issue if you made money of the infringment (if infact it was infringing). if you set up the system for general people to make and keep all information opensource and free of cost then they have nothing really to go after you for. besides you only make what you use... anyone else does the same.... so the company would have to go after lots of little peopl, not one big fish.

looking at the bolt design. something to consider.... rather then 4 why not 2 or 3 larger bores for air flow. less turbulance due to more defined path, possibly less friction to the air flow due to lowered surface area and a stronger bolt due to more material (possibly allowing for a thiner back wall.

i like the one machine simplicity of the searless concept. but my concern while trying to design for garrage shop tinker's is that tolerances being set too high might deter poeple from trying this project. i say try to keep a good solid tolerance but try to design for some flexability so lower skill or machine requirement may be used.

I do not have the ability to do something like this but i do have several friends that could... thus i will follow this tread, in hopes that i could convince a freind to put one together. i look forward to seeing how the project progresses.

[Legion]

i like the one machine simplicity of the searless concept. but my concern while trying to design for garrage shop tinker's is that tolerances being set too high might deter poeple from trying this project. i say try to keep a good solid tolerance but try to design for some flexability so lower skill or machine requirement may be used

That was also a concern of mine. Depending on what machine you use i think a target of +/- .005 is enough slop that most hobbiests should be able to hold. Outside of that i think that if some components are super accurate i will machine them and make them available to those people who need them. (i didn't buy a toolroom lathe for nothing)

Once a program is written its no skin off my nose to produce them by the hundreds. So even if you don't own a lathe or mill at some point i would think that one could assemble a kit from parts fromt the various parties involved.

That being said, i am pretty set on my current bolt design. Not because i feel its perfect but because it is easy for me to machine and i think i will cut a few to test before i make any more modfications to it. Im not sure enough would be gained by changing to a three hole instead of a 4 hole for the amount of programming it would require. These will be available to my fellow designers for test work.

Second at this point i feel the bolt is secondary to getting a working and simple on/off system mated to the bolt design.

I suspect that more than one protoype will come out of this. and perhaps a hybrid of all the best components puts to gether in the long run.

When we get ready to start producing them maybe we should assign each componet to one machinst and use the team effort to more rapidly produce the nessisary parts.

And for the love of god would somebody think of a cool project name?

[dukie]

I was trying to think of a name today, but didn't get very far.. However I did get my lathe fixed, so I figure thats a good start !

PPD ( pneumatic paint dispenser) - that has not a bad ring to it
Oddball - well its definately different, so it will be the odd one.
Blacksheep - follows from oddball
IBF ( inline blow forward)

I shall think on it more as I lay in bed trying to get to sleep.

Now that I have my lathe fixed, I may not have any spare time DOH!

Oh well I'll buy some delrin for the mockup anyways.

[Legion]

To give myself some direction i began working on the body today. Basicly i am trying to keep eveything as a 1 inch inline aluminum tube.I will thread it with cocker threads, and vertfeed and then just to buck the system i drew up a nice composite rifle stock for it all to sit in.

i am looking at (2) body designs. one is threaded for angel feednecks and the other uses a tig welded collar and ego feednecks. Both are vert feeds.

[y0da900]

Is there any reason you are going with Angel threaded necks opposed to AKA style. For those that have cocker threaded taps, they are almost identical to the AKA feedneck spec, so you can use the same tool twice. All moot if you plan on only single pointing.

And further food for thought - if you leave it as the continuous bore, the step to the breech, the feedneck and barrel threads, it gives people the (potential) choice to be vert feed, side warp feed, or underfeed.

[Legion]

There is no reason we can't. Although i dont remerb aka stuff being very cheap.

Angel necks are abundant and cheap and i just bought a ton of them for mambas so i have them and i have the angel taps. Its just a protoype so there is no reason future models cannot incorperate any number of changes.