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Old 08-16-2011, 03:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Possessed spyder quick fix question

I have this evil spyder compact that my friend was having me work on years ago. Long story short I changed all its seals (cup seal, striker o-ring) and yet this thing still sputters out. It airs up fine, and sometimes when you dry fire it cycles fine, but then a second later at the chrono or in a game it sputters. I still have it, my friend moved on a got a new gun, but I was just thinking, is there a cost effective way to fix this thing (seeing how used spyders of this sort often times sell for 35 bucks.) Do you know of anyone selling spyder parts? My idea as of right now is to replace the striker and sear (or trigger frame if I cant get a sear.) and see if that changes results. Maybe even replace the body if I can do it cost effectively.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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One thing that I found with Spyders is that some were "good" ones that would click right along no matter what happened. Others were "duds" where they were just always problematic. I suspect some tolerance issues. That one might just be a dud.

Still, some possible fixes:
- Make sure you're using an actual striker o-ring. They're not the quite same size (or material) as a tank o-ring.
- Make sure it's a fresh o-ring
- If it's a turbo or other high flow valve, it might not be getting enough air back to the striker. I've modified valve pins in the past to give it more blowback gas. You basically just give it 2 flats instead of on one side. This will have some adverse effects such as decreased velocity on the valve, harder recoil and some wasted gas.... but might get it running.
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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alright, I think I'll re-verify that O-ring cause honestly I dont remember if I stuck the right o ring or a tank one. Also I found a brand new trigger frame for about 15 bucks which may be a good choice considering it would replace the sear, sear spring, and also the stock frame is pretty beat up and in bad condition anyways.
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Yeah, hammer / sear wear can be another issue as well. Make sure they're in good shape or it might not be catching properly.
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Actually strange as it sounds it might be your paint. I've heard legends of spyders that would only re-cock if a properly underbored paintball was in the chamber. Apparently the thrust of the paintball leaving the barrel would add just enough recoil to the bolt to finish the cycle. I personally haven't run into any like this but I have heard rumors....

Personally I would try a spring kit though,

Amazon.com: Diablo Spyder/Mongoose Spring Kit: Sports & Outdoors,

Or you could just run to the hardware store and buy a super light valve spring and bend the top coil so that it holds the cup seal, that's what I do to mine. Let me know if you get this working or not because there are other tricks you can use.
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Actually strange as it sounds it might be your paint. I've heard legends of spyders that would only re-cock if a properly underbored paintball was in the chamber. Apparently the thrust of the paintball leaving the barrel would add just enough recoil to the bolt to finish the cycle. I personally haven't run into any like this but I have heard rumors....
no, the thrust would hinder it since the gun would be moving backwards with the hammer. it's the back pressure that's helping recocking.
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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no, the thrust would hinder it since the gun would be moving backwards with the hammer. it's the back pressure that's helping recocking.
Correct. I have an Alley Cat that's tuned so that it'll only recock when shooting paint. Without paint it jackhammers. The gas takes the path of least resistance, in this case, an empty barrel rather than a heavy hammer with a spring behind it.
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#1 issue i've found on rebuilt spyders is the wrong o-ring on the hammer. the proper o-ring for spyder hammers is a bit bigger, and if a tank o-ring is used, the often fail to recock.I've got oodles of spyder parts, including teflon coated hammer o-rings.
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:25 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Swapped your springs out?
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