Spyder compact recock issues

magmoormaster · 10-21-2011, 01:01 AM

So like the title says, I'm working on a Spyder Classic that has some recocking issues. All the o-rings are good, oiled, sear/hammer are good, etc. Now, the wierd part is that the gun will recock just fine if I'm using a tank (HPA) that outputs higher than 900 PSI. Anything lower doesn't work. I have a 9 piece spring kit and have tried pretty much all the combos (except the stiffest valve spring) but to no avail. It seems to me like I would need either a lighter valve spring and/or a heavier drive spring right? IDK, were they set up so that they only work on CO2 or something?

Titus · 10-21-2011, 06:51 AM

I'd assume heavier drive spring would work. Or shim it just to see if that would solve your problem.

magmoormaster · 10-21-2011, 02:16 PM

Yeah, it doesn't. I put in my heaviest drive spring and even with the lightest valve spring it doesn't work.

Edit: I just went back and literally tried every single spring combo possible and none of them worked with the tank I'm using (output is somewhere between 700 and 800 PSI). I'm going to call Kingman and ask about it, but they aren't picking up.

Yomama101 · 10-21-2011, 04:43 PM

Make sure all the air passages are clean & clear of all obstuctions. I have a Spyder classic that was having "Issues" till I removed the clogged brass filter in the ASA. Slim or fatty striker?

magmoormaster · 10-21-2011, 05:02 PM

I think it's a slim...

I finally got ahold of Kingman's tech support, and they said that the older spyders use a slightly different sized hammer o-ring. And of course it's proprietary, and not made anymore.

B.R. · 10-21-2011, 05:06 PM

hah, im glad you posted that magmoor. ive had a few spider/spider clones that ive tried multiple different hammer o-rings on to no avail.
wonder if yuo can find an off brand n.o.s. rebuild kit at ans or similar company

magmoormaster · 10-21-2011, 05:41 PM

They said they had a few rebuild kits for $12.99

Chaos · 10-21-2011, 09:02 PM

The answer to your problem is get one of Alamo City Paintball's 1/2 delrin 1/2 Stainless hammers...eliminates the need for that odd sized o-ring

Spyder Fatty Style Delrin Sleeve

melkson · 10-21-2011, 09:20 PM

the o-rings are NOT hard to get. O-ring city carries whole rebuild kits with teflon impregnated striker o-rings. If nothing else, I can make you a rebuild kit for just one spyder and sell it to ya for $6 shipped. That would be 1 teflon coated hammer o-ring, 2 teflon coated bolt o-rings, 3 standard o-rings (for valve and front block). I have enough o-rings for 8-10 of these.

10-21-2011, 01:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
magmoormaster aka Maggy Moo Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Provo, UT	Spyder compact recock issues So like the title says, I'm working on a Spyder Classic that has some recocking issues. All the o-rings are good, oiled, sear/hammer are good, etc. Now, the wierd part is that the gun will recock just fine if I'm using a tank (HPA) that outputs higher than 900 PSI. Anything lower doesn't work. I have a 9 piece spring kit and have tried pretty much all the combos (except the stiffest valve spring) but to no avail. It seems to me like I would need either a lighter valve spring and/or a heavier drive spring right? IDK, were they set up so that they only work on CO2 or something? __________________ Model98.org, Where Tippmanns Have No Limits Feedback WTT 16" Stiffi Switch Tip for a 12" or 14" Tip GONE TIL NOV 2013

10-21-2011, 06:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
Titus www.tituspb.com Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Group W Bench	I'd assume heavier drive spring would work. Or shim it just to see if that would solve your problem. __________________ Feedback Dealer for APP, CCI, Nelson, Leland, Valken, Tippmann, Procaps, etc Please donate to make a difference in my fathers life Willing to be a 3rd party for shipments to Canada anywhere in the world just PM me. Buy a Celanis Paintball Patch for a good cause

10-21-2011, 02:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
magmoormaster aka Maggy Moo Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Provo, UT	Yeah, it doesn't. I put in my heaviest drive spring and even with the lightest valve spring it doesn't work. Edit: I just went back and literally tried every single spring combo possible and none of them worked with the tank I'm using (output is somewhere between 700 and 800 PSI). I'm going to call Kingman and ask about it, but they aren't picking up. __________________ Model98.org, Where Tippmanns Have No Limits Feedback WTT 16" Stiffi Switch Tip for a 12" or 14" Tip GONE TIL NOV 2013 Last edited by magmoormaster; 10-21-2011 at 03:38 PM.

10-21-2011, 04:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
Yomama101 Seasoned Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Make sure all the air passages are clean & clear of all obstuctions. I have a Spyder classic that was having "Issues" till I removed the clogged brass filter in the ASA. Slim or fatty striker? __________________ Unconscious Incompetent: You don't have enough knowledge to even realize you can't perform a given task. Conscious Incompetent: You gain just enough knowledge and skill to realize that you suck at a given task. Conscious Competent: You gain skill through practice and eventually can do a fair job at a given task with a lot of conscious effort and thought. Unconscious Competent: Eventually, after enough practice, the given task will become second nature and it will no longer feel "uncomfortable".

10-21-2011, 05:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
magmoormaster aka Maggy Moo Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Provo, UT	I think it's a slim... I finally got ahold of Kingman's tech support, and they said that the older spyders use a slightly different sized hammer o-ring. And of course it's proprietary, and not made anymore. __________________ Model98.org, Where Tippmanns Have No Limits Feedback WTT 16" Stiffi Switch Tip for a 12" or 14" Tip GONE TIL NOV 2013

10-21-2011, 05:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
B.R. THE NEW PA Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: ne Pa	hah, im glad you posted that magmoor. ive had a few spider/spider clones that ive tried multiple different hammer o-rings on to no avail. wonder if yuo can find an off brand n.o.s. rebuild kit at ans or similar company __________________ FEEDBACK http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/f...-feedback.html this big tranformer came through a town like 30 miles from my hometown!!

10-21-2011, 05:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
magmoormaster aka Maggy Moo Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Provo, UT	They said they had a few rebuild kits for $12.99 __________________ Model98.org, Where Tippmanns Have No Limits Feedback WTT 16" Stiffi Switch Tip for a 12" or 14" Tip GONE TIL NOV 2013

10-21-2011, 09:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chaos I'm Comin' To Getcha! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hudson,MA	The answer to your problem is get one of Alamo City Paintball's 1/2 delrin 1/2 Stainless hammers...eliminates the need for that odd sized o-ring Spyder Fatty Style Delrin Sleeve __________________ Chaos PoG Member # 1018 LPPC Member #71 NO'MAAM #5 My Gallery My Feedback

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