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marked74 05-16-2008 04:20 PM

Spyder noob with q's
 
Hey All,

Looking to get my first electro. I'm a rec player, and woodsball at that. But, a few of the guys I play with are using various electros... Anyway, I was looking at the Dangerous Power Fusions and I really like them, but at twice as much money for the 08 as some of the Spyders, well, isn't that why people buy Spyders? Anyway, AV has the VS1 with parts kit and the Pilot 08 for around the same price. I'm wondering what the differences are. I see that the Pilot is lighter and can go up to 25 bps instead of the VS1's 20bps, but honestly I'm not a high ROF kind of guy. I grew up playing pump... Is the Pilot newer? More upgraded?

Thanks!

Railgun 05-21-2008 12:46 PM

Forget the bps rate. The trigger frames are set to a lower number anyway.

Go for the VS1 if you want to stay with the Spyder lineup. They VS series has eyes to help avoid chops while the Pilot uses a spring equipped bolt to HOPEFULLY give rather than chop. Having said that my own Pilot works just fine and rarely chops a ball in the few times I've used it.

Keep in mind as well that the VS1 is a full pressure marker. That "regulator" is just a hollow expansion chamber and not a reg at all. And if higher rates of fire are important to you then you want to go with an air tank vs CO2.

I'm a rec/woods player as well. I've tried some electros and they are going on sale soon. I prefer mechanical instead and to hell with what all the others say. Mind you I like to play pump as well and the more I play pump the less ammo I shoot during a semi game. I find that I seldom go through more than about 40 to 50 balls unless it's a defend the fort deal and I'm defending then I may go through up to 100. It's your choice but I've really found that quantity doesn't mean quality. I prefer to buy good fresh paint that shoots accurately and that means I need less balls in the air to play. YMMV.

Hitman08 05-27-2008 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Railgun (Post 405153)
Forget the bps rate. The trigger frames are set to a lower number anyway.

Go for the VS1 if you want to stay with the Spyder lineup. They VS series has eyes to help avoid chops while the Pilot uses a spring equipped bolt to HOPEFULLY give rather than chop. Having said that my own Pilot works just fine and rarely chops a ball in the few times I've used it.

Keep in mind as well that the VS1 is a full pressure marker. That "regulator" is just a hollow expansion chamber and not a reg at all. And if higher rates of fire are important to you then you want to go with an air tank vs CO2.

I'm a rec/woods player as well. I've tried some electros and they are going on sale soon. I prefer mechanical instead and to hell with what all the others say. Mind you I like to play pump as well and the more I play pump the less ammo I shoot during a semi game. I find that I seldom go through more than about 40 to 50 balls unless it's a defend the fort deal and I'm defending then I may go through up to 100. It's your choice but I've really found that quantity doesn't mean quality. I prefer to buy good fresh paint that shoots accurately and that means I need less balls in the air to play. YMMV.

hey whats up maybe you might know since you own a pilot why do i see stripped out pilots on ebay they sell the receiver and barrel no internals no trigger frame :censored:then you can find Spyder Pilot Parts all the internal parts (bolt striker ect) and the stock feed neck:bang: why do some pilot owners strip them out makes no sense :confused: i could see selling the barrel or the trigger frame and acs bolt beats me if you dont know its cool no big deal

TheAznInvazn 05-30-2008 07:45 PM

Actually, the new Pilot 08 comes with eye's now, but it uses a polymer frame.

That being said, I'd still go for the VS1, plastic grip frames never settled with me well, and the lack of a volumizer makes the Pilot less consistant.

Omegara 06-04-2008 01:08 PM

I'd go with the 08 electra if you can afford the $200. It has the reg which lets it run at 300 psi, a rail and on/off, can run on regular 9v's and the frame is aluminum instead of polymer like the new pilot.

marked74 06-05-2008 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Omegara (Post 417210)
I'd go with the 08 electra if you can afford the $200. It has the reg which lets it run at 300 psi, a rail and on/off, can run on regular 9v's and the frame is aluminum instead of polymer like the new pilot.


Ooh that sounds good. We are treading into Fusion territory at that price, but it's still cheaper. Thanks for the tips guys! All very good info.

I am finding that bps isn't that important to me as well. I have a Mag which is my first semi (hadn't played since I was a pump only guy in the mid-90s), and I'm finding that it's ROF is way more than I need. Last round I played I got 5 shots off at one guy, and spent the rest of the time stalking (and being stalked, and ultimately getting sniped). Firefights are fun occasionally, but I'm more of a tactical guy. I just want to be able to hang when I need to. And I was hoping that electros were more reliable and chopped less paint.

super-cameron 06-05-2008 10:56 AM

I'm just glad you want to stick with a Spyder!

The VS1's are nice, as are the Electras. The nice thing is that you can easily upgrade any of them. I would switch out and get a decent reg instead of the standard expansion chamber. It makes a world of difference. The FASTA loaders are also excellent if you plan on firing several rounds in full auto. A big problem with chopping occours when your loader can't keep up with the fire rate.

Mayvik 06-05-2008 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman08 (Post 409441)
hey whats up maybe you might know since you own a pilot why do i see stripped out pilots on ebay they sell the receiver and barrel no internals no trigger frame :censored:then you can find Spyder Pilot Parts all the internal parts (bolt striker ect) and the stock feed neck:bang: why do some pilot owners strip them out makes no sense :confused: i could see selling the barrel or the trigger frame and acs bolt beats me if you dont know its cool no big deal

Those are usually stores, specifically First Call Paintball, selling refurb bodies (body + barrel) or internals kits. You could actually build a new (refurb) 04 green Imagine or 05 red Pilot with everything but a grip frame for about $30 for quite a while, and still might be able to, just using those parts.

TheAznInvazn 06-05-2008 07:25 PM

You gotta love places liek FirstCall Paintball, you can get a lot of random parts that you can't get from other places, and they're cheap! :)

super-cameron 06-07-2008 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAznInvazn (Post 418631)
You gotta love places liek FirstCall Paintball, you can get a lot of random parts that you can't get from other places, and they're cheap! :)

They are good. I have used them several times. You can also call them to see if they have stuff you need, but can't find on the site.


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