Paintball

[blackrain]

This will be a continuious review. Hopefully I can test this in a number of climates and another country later this yr. 2011.

Fog Doc is not my sponsor nor did I receive this item for free. Any free items that he included in the package will be handed out to players at my local field for evaluation. We have asked Fog Doc if they would like to be a part of our sponsorship for next season,that is completely up to the company.


Let's all be honest here,nothing is completely FOG PROOF. However the better the product,the less fog and longer time it will take. So far I have not found anything that will keep my lenses fog free. It's really bad when you pay $24.00 for a pair of thermal lense and they wont do the job. That says alot of how a product really works. If Fog Doc works the way I want it to,and so far it has,I doubt I'll ever spend cash on another pair of double pane thermal lenses again.I'm not here to prove this product wrong nor any other. I'm just here to show what I think is the best to use and how well they all compare to each other.

Fogdoc - Your Prescription to Clarity - Antifog and Steam Removal

I have been wanting to try this for a long time. Every product that I have used that said Defogger has failed me. I sweat alot.

As soon as it hit's 70* I begin to sweat and fog up my lenses. So I have been kind of putting off on a purchase of Fog Doc.

Well I'm going to trying and see what happens here in the wet cold State of Washington.

Also this is made by a member on MCB and It's always good to back up the local business. So Stupiddogg,thanks for going thru all the trouble of developing this product and releasing it first on MCB .


19 Aug 2010

I received everything as ordered,plus I was sent a few more items to hand out at our local event that will be in Sept.
I also call the owner to let him know I received the items and how I would be using the product. I found out that he has been making this stuff longer than anyone knows and longer than most people have been playing.




The Fog Doc roots started with paintball many yrs ago,and has now expanded into many areas of sports and industry.

I ordered the DELUXE package. Why not,it was very well priced. It had a spray bottle with cleaning fluid, jar of fog repellent and a soft wipe cloth.




The test:

21 Aug 2010

Our first test took place at Super Game XL in Oregon:

Supergame

It was hot, muggy (West Coast Hot) and in the 80's. As soon as I put on my mask I started sweating and fogging. Now I promised Derrick I would test Fog Doc using my fan and helmet,using the helmet only and no fan use. Promise not kept on day 1.

The area for testing was open field with structure both days. I didn't know the area very well,so I just stayed where I was comfortable.


Hopefully we will get a little woods testing in the next few weekends.
I threw on a little Fog Doc and rubbed it in till a haze formed on my lense. I let it sit for a little over a min. I then wiped it off with the cloth provided. I rubbed some on the outer lense and let it sit the same amount of time and wipped off.

So day one and off to the field. After numerous gun problems and frustration I was finally able to get on the field. Not much testing time,but was able to do a little. So I didn't like the Skate Helmet I had,it just fit to tight,so all I wore was a Bandana.

I don't know why I always choose to test during a big event,but I do. So now that I was able to get a working gun I was off to play and test.

I used my fan out of habit for the first two hrs of play and then the next two hrs I used straight Fog Doc with the fan on the mask covering all the top ventilation it could. Now normally this isn't a good idea. You want to have all the ventilation you can get for a proper air flow. The Fog Doc worked flawless. I ran two hrs without a fan and a little fog started creeping up from the bottom of my lenses near the end of the day.
To me this is a success. Especially since I can put another type of no fog on my lenses and I begin to fog up right away. Usually I will start to fog up as soon as I stop and get bunkered down or have to move slow. However this didn't happen with the Fog Doc. I had a clear view everywhere I went or hunkered down at.


22 Aug 2010:

Next day of event and testing.

Well I got smart and decided to check around the vendor tents and found a nice helmet that fit perfect with my DYE I3 and Fan. I had to keep my promise.



Now I was set. A little Fog Doc and I'm good to go. The helmet fit right over my fan and top mask ventilation. So now Iam completely with out top ventilation. So worse case I'm going to fog up right away. After the first two hours of play,running,stopping and slow walks back to the resurrection point, there wasn't any sign of fog appearing on my lense. I decided to come back out and reload. Went back with the fan on. Same results.

I did have problems both days and it something that both Fog Doc nor my fan could fix. That was sweat. I can say that the Fog Doc helped to bead away the sweat that made it on my lense. I do sweat alot and the foam just retains it. I actually have to ring out the foam when I come off the field. And the DYE I3 foam is thick. So I never get all the sweat out.

So over all with minor ventilation,I had no fogging issues. Now I have to wait for the rain and cold to arrive so I can do some more testing. I'll still evaluate the Fog Doc till then.

Derrick wants to get all the info he can from around the US and world to see what's happening to players on the fields. When you give info,make sure when you send feed back,make it mature. There also is a reason instructions are included and a soft cloth. Wiping away the the solution or repellent with a bath towel or dish towel will ruin any lense we use in our sport.

Bath towels and dish towels are very ABRASIVE and are like SAND PAPER on your LENSE. Use the micro fiber towel provided or just order more micro fiber towels from Fog Doc.










I feel two hr increments are best for testing at this time. As time goes on and weather gets worse I will add more time to the testing periods with and without fan. I'll also write some more about the spray on cleaning solution. For now I can say it does clean up a goggle shot very good nad leaves the lense sparkling if used correctly.

So for now we'll stop. I'm actually waiting for the rain and cold in a wooded/shaded enviroment.


6 Sept 2010

Tub and TV test

Ok this is what's call the Bath tub TV test. My Wife enjoys watching here DVD player while soaking in her large sunk in bath tub. This morning I cleaned her glasses with Fog Doc. After a long day of driving me to the paintball field and shopping,she decided to take a HOT bath and soak for a while, and watching her DVD player.

Now to get the idea of hot water,she fogs the mirror with the steam. I don't think she uses cold water at all. We have a big bathroom too.
When she was done,she asked me to post this up and let everyone know that her glasses did not fog up.

So we now know if you watch TV and soak in your tub,Fog Doc will come in handy.


11 Sept 2010

Virginia testing:

So Team Blackrain is now on the East coast. Temp today was in the 80's and a little humid. So last night I decide to clean the mask and switch out to clear lenses. So I rub on some Fog Doc and add the sponsor sticker:



At first it looked like sticker would block my vision. After wearing them,I realized that the sticker is above my line of sight. Perfect!
So I go out for about 3-1/2 hrs of play. I'm still very Jet lagged and got off to a late start today.

Well I decided to test without adding another coat of Fog Doc. What I had on was about 12 hrs old. So that a good start point for testing. Let's test how long this stuff really protects.
Well I went thru the whole day without fogging. I still have my fan blocking and upper ventilation on my mask and still wore my helmet,which blocks any and all upper ventilation.

So I hit the field sweating like a PIG. By this time I'm fogged up and walking off the field to clean my lense. Well not this time. Although Iam blind with out my glasses,I still had clear vision throughout the game. I take one to the googles and head back to clean up. Get out a baby wipe and clean my lense of all the shell and heavy paint. Then I use a little Fog Doc spray and make my lense sparkle.

NOTE:
Baby Wipes are your friend.

So back out for another 3 games. Still no fogging. Now I'm feeling a little breeze, which is perfect for me,cause it won't even go under my helmet to keep me cool. So still sweating like a PIG with no fogging.

We take a lunch break. Now it's time for the real test. Wearing my Glasses under my mask. Now I know many have had great success using glasses under their mask,but not me. I clean the lenses with Fog Doc Spray and then apply Fog Doc. Epic fail for me. I can't blame Fog Doc,because I've been using it on my glasses all week,walking from Air Condition into high humid heat without fogging. I'm thinking the problem lies with the mask. Even when I turned my fan on full max with the helmet off I still get the same results even when I wore a bandana,fogged glasses. I use a DYE I3 with double pain lenses.

Eventually I'll buy a different mask for testing. My recent one is a few yrs old and needing new foam. That can also be an issue is the foam. Or the air pocket that I have between my lenses and glasses.

So off with the glasses and back out for a few more games. Same results as before,no fogging at all. Not even a creep up. I can say I'm having good results in muggy heat. Hopefully I'll have a better OTG (over the Glasses) report in the very near future.


UPDATE 20 Sept 2010:

Washington State player info:

http://www.northwestpaintballpark.org/wbb/index.php

Field report from I LUV STRATS. Paul is the local gun tech at Northwest paintball in Silverdale ,Wa. Paul also maintains the rental gear from guns to goggles. I left him a jar of Fog Doc prior to leaving on my trip. Here's his response:

"Had the pleasure to use fogdoc for two big games today and it has far surpassed any other anti fog solution I've ever used. Today was very rainy and muggy and had 0 fog on my glasses. With all the running around I did I had no problems. Jim and Kim have been very impressed by it as well. I"ve put fogdoc on quite a few random rental goggles to see if anyone would come looking for anti fog solution and those rental players never came up. I"ve also put fogdoc on regular walk on players goggles and glasses with great results. This is by far the best stuff on the market hands down."

Thanks for the info and please keep me updated. Also what type of mask does the field use?


22 Sept 2010

Rental Goggle:

Info from I Luv Strats:

"Hey, the field rental goggles are vforce armor with non fog resistant lenses. Fog doc worked extremely well on them."


UPDATE: Disposable Wipe wash test:

So Stupiddog and I were talking a few weeks ago. While we were discussing the items he was going to send,he told me about the disposable wipes. I guess they really aren't disposable. He told me they can go thru several washings and still be used. Well I'm going to put this towel thru the test.
Sometime this weekend and for the next few weeks I will get this wipe dirty and wash it along with my dirty clothes. I'm not trying to disprove anything,I just want to see how many times these can be washed before they are no longer useful.
Before I wash this,I will autograph it with "Blackrain" and date,using a magic marker. So one more picture will be posted before I wash it.


Dirty Towel before pictures:











UPDATE: 24 Sept 2010

Clean Towel after washing:

So this towel came out very clean as you can see. There isn't a speck of dirt on it. It's very soft. I'll put it to the application test this weekend. I'm more than positive at this time I can say it will work just like it's suppose to. More info later this week.





UPDATE: 24 Sept 2010

High heat and glasses:

You'll just have to take my word on this one. Today for 4 hrs straight,I worked in 95* temp. I wear these really ugly safety glasses. Well yesterday I coated them with some Fog Doc. Now normally in this exact same area these same glasses would fog up to the point of having to remove them.
Over a period of about 4-8 hrs in this area,I'm usually spitting on the lenses several times an hour just to wipe them off and keep the fog away for just a few mins. It does get nerve racking and becomes a pain in the A$$.
Well I now carry a jar of Fog Doc in my work bag. That's where it will stay for as long as I keep ordering/using it. I'm not thinking of retireing for another 7 yrs.


26 Sept 2010 UPDATE:

Well today I left a jar with Fox Brothers Paintball field and one with a local team. I even applied some on a set of rental goggles. They were Extreme Rage single lense goggles. Although the lense were scratched,I cleaned them with Fog Doc cleaner and put on some Fog Doc. Kid had no more trouble with fogging. I also showed one of the Head Refs how to apply Fog Doc.
The field was very happy.

Also I haven't applied Fog Doc onto my lenses since 11 Sept 2010. I pulled out my goggles,wiped them off and went onto play. After about game 4 I had a little fog start to show. So I decided to push it another game. The Humidity was high,muggy and over cast. I was sweating like a pig Under my mask. I didn't use my helmet today,so thinking that would reduce heat. Well it didn't.

There wasn't enough fog in my lense to really cause any type of blurred vision,but I flip my fan on for a few seconds while playing, just wanted to make sure I had real clear vision. After the game I applied some Fog Doc and I was good to go.


3 Oct 2010

New Mask Test:

Being true to my word,I purchased a new mask. Went what most would consider low end. Here we have a Tippmann TP 420 Performance Goggle system. Suppose to have anti fog lenses. Lense is single pane. Guess it's time to put it thru the test.

It fits real nice with my helmet and it's very lite on my face. Almost like it's not there. Glasses seem to fit well. Lots of ventilation.

Ok I have heard all that before and all I ever get is fogged lenses and glasses. I'm going to try and test this in regular play and not the scenario I play on attending in a few weeks.
So here is the new mask I'll be testing with and I'll do a seperate review on it.









So as mentioned before, this will be an on going review.


23 October 2010:

Well today was a little mix feeling on Fog Doc. It had rained all night and then the Sun came out. I was also a little chilly. I applied some fog doc on several different lenses and mask. Now to be fair,these lenses had some good use and had alot of scratches.

I also applied on several set of glasses.

The results were mixed,some players had little fog,others had their glasses fog and some didn't have a problem. I'm starting to think that it has to deal with the heat that a person produces,and also their weight and hieght.

Even I'm still having problems with my glasses fogging. I sweat like a pig and am over weight.

Over all the results were good result wise. Maybe a thicker coat will have to be applied according to weather.

Now these players have used Fog Doc before with good results,so I can say that todays results were due to mixed weather.


Later,
Blackrain


20 Nov 2011:

I have tested on the East Coast, West Coast and the North West. I've used this stuff on my work glasses, on mirrors and have always had great results. Well I have now been able to test Over Seas (Japan).

I couldn't have asked for better conditions. It was Rainy and Muggy all day long. Matter of fact I think we had a mini Typhoon due to the high winds.

The conditions of the field were basically wooded with large open areas, but a lot of standing still due to the Rain blinding our vision. However the FOG DOC held true. I had only applied one coating per instructions the night before. I was going to test using my SCOTT fan system,but my battery died on me.

SCOTT Fan System

Oh well I didn't need it anyway

I know I was sweating, but between the heavy rain who could really tell. I used my OCD bandana, till it was soaked beyond wear (Those things absorbe alot ). No helmet this time,not enough room to pack it.

I want to say that these are the best results I have ever had with FOG DOC. I'll test more next weekend during a Big 6hr Game that will run continuious. I also left the field with a small bottle to use on their mask.

Now for the glasses:

Still having the same issues. Had to test them as well. However talking with another company I found out why (Their product does the same thing with fogging. I also had FOG DOC's permission to test this other product).

It's due to the protective coating applied to the lens (Certain coatings). Not an issue with FOG DOC at all. I have notice a difference when applying FOG DOC to my issued Safety Glasses, which does not have a protective coating. Now that I have that cleared up I will be buying a pair of glasses without the protective coating and using them strictly for paintball.

I will post more information as I gather it,but for now the results are looking good.

Later,
Blackrain

[Silver]

I would have to agree while fogdoc does keep away the fog it does NOT completely fog proof your lense. I will still be buying more of it though I play at Jaegers Subsurface paintball nearly every week. And by subsurface they mean its in a cave. It can get very "moist" or humid in the caves but is always a nice 59 degrees. While using fogdoc I have never fogged up outdoors. But inside the cave it does keep the fog away for a longer amount of time.
I will see how it performs at Drop Zones scenario game in september.
Good review blackrain!

[blackrain]

I'll be testing this on the East Coast for a few months and then in Wa. around Dec. Then Overseas for 5 months. I'll round up the evealuation review in Apr or May 2011. However this is just not my review area. It is important for everyone to post here with their mature evaluation and results.

Your type of playing enviroment and what type of weather you are playing in. Fog Doc cannot improve if he doesn't know what's going on with the player and mask type they wear.

Later,
Blackrain.

[MRex21]

Perform this test with FogDoc.

Put some on your bathroom mirror. I did. 2 weeks. Well...13 days. That's how long it lasted until I had to think about reapplying. This is no joke.

I've been playing paintball for 20 years and I've tried every product made for keeping goggles clean and non-fogged. I started using FogDoc products and threw the rest of them in the trash.

Yeah, it's that good.

I use it on my bathroom mirrors, my shooting glasses, my goggles (numerous) my regular glasses, and my sunglasses.

I'm also a licensed Private Investigator. I've used FogDoc to form a small 'vision slit' on the inside of my vehicle's windshield during wintertime surveillances and it allowed me to have crystal clear vision even when the interior fogged because I'd been sitting in there breathing for 4 hours waiting for my target to move.

The stuff works and it works like no other product. I won't use anything else.

I'm not paid or compensated by FogDoc in any way. This is my opinion, and my opinion only. If your goggles fog, you're using it wrong.

[blackrain]

Added the bath tub test. Something a little unexpected.
Later,
Blackrain

[i_luv_strats]

Customers using the samples blackrain brought out to the field today had nothing but positive to say about it. One customer that said "I'm the sweatiest person and fog the easiest and this completely eliminated fog". He was using non fog resistant vforce rental goggles. So far from what I've put on my glasses and goggles it is working really well. I'll see if I can get people to write down their thought on paper and I'll post it here.

[blackrain]

Originally Posted by i_luv_strats

Customers using the samples blackrain brought out to the field today had nothing but positive to say about it. One customer that said "I'm the sweatiest person and fog the easiest and this completely eliminated fog". He was using non fog resistant vforce rental goggles. So far from what I've put on my glasses and goggles it is working really well. I'll see if I can get people to write down their thought on paper and I'll post it here.

Please Paul,
See if you can do that. More feed back on different goggle types the better. Today was a good day to test as well. Cold and Rainy with slight drizzel. PM me the comments and I can add them to the review.
Later,
Blackrain

[blackrain]

Small update added to review.
Later,
Blackrain

[blackrain]

More added to review. "Disposable Wipe Wash Test".
Later,
Blackrain

[stupiddogg]

haha, thank you Brother for the great review. I love the diffent angles and perspective!

Derek