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Old 02-04-2012, 12:30 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I think I can safely say I have had a fair share of top end pump markers over time.

Some have stood the test of time - for example

I have 2 buzzards with me, over time I have had a grand total of 5 of them, the other 3 moved on to friends only - never have I sold a buzzard outside a teammate or a friend. - Carter Buzzards (Earon's work in general) are works of art. Craftsmanship and finish are unrivaled. I will NEVER part with one to someone I do not know and whose company I do not enjoy.

I have my Gargoyle. My comparison is this - RTR has made a marker that surpassed my expectations. There is room for a bit of extra fit or finish here or there - perhaps, but, the innovations are indeed incredible. When I first HEARD of them I did not think it possible because Carter's were the end all of the time. In all honesty if you think carefully on it - Nelson based markers have not changed substantially since the early days of the Nelspot. RTR introduced design changes in breakdown/assembly, refinements in design for little things like the feed cap, evolutions in stocks like the boomerang. Instead of changing the appearance and form only - it changed some of the basic precepts with the goal of keeping the player functional on the field. At the end of the day my Gargoyle is a play marker and partially a showpiece - it exceeds its owner in every way =)

pound for pound it is very impressive and allows for use of commonly available internals and other parts.

I have a pair of Box Guns including arguably one of the earliest vertical 12g pistols known. #2 of only 2 ever converted in this manner one of my Box Guns has a custom made valve housing and modified to accept an automag vertical adapter. Love the look and feel, a bit heavy, but shoots darts. Hard to maintain tho to some degree.

Sniper2 clones I have a few, even have a Karnivor sitting around still thanks to a friend who helped me fulfill that dream =P Quality markers always have a place =)

and while it does not command the same high price another champ that has stood the test of time - I have a 1994 Phantom - works like a champ.

Quality does not HAVE to cost a fortune =P

Lechooch - awesome experiences you have there buddy - I always say that quality markers pass through your hands at a pace unheard of =P you lucky lucky dog =P

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Old 02-04-2012, 12:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:52 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Stitch, I agree with all you said but carters are not just works of art, they are work horses too!

Worrpt, I remember when I first got the boxgun you were always asking for pics The vert air boxgun is cool, I held it and its pretty cool.
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Old 02-04-2012, 01:39 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Chooch, nice thead idea. I will say you really gotta give these specialty markers more time to season. The Gargoyle for instance is one fine beast. It reminds of what markers were like in the late 80's and early 90's. From the Line SI Bushmaster to the Lapco Grey Ghost each marker must be given time to break in. Rodney built the Gargoyle to be a once in a lifetime marker so Rodney made it with very tight tolerances because after all tuning and break in are half the fun.

In my opinion today's generation is in too much of a hurry to hit the sweet spot yesterday. I suspect you will find yourself in 10 yrs wishing you had kept all the ones you have owned just to discover the sweet spot of each marker. Ahh but youth is wonderful amigo so enjoy it.

The box gun is THE smoothest pumping gun out of the box I have ever had the pleasure of owning. If I may suggest you find a good Old broken in CIP and you will freak on the buttery smoothness. Like many an MCB member has learned wanting is always much better than having, hence the term gun whore!

Again love the thread, looking forward to your next addition.
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Old 02-04-2012, 01:59 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Awesome thread, 'choochie! Keeping my eye on this for sure.
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:18 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Chooch, nice thead idea. I will say you really gotta give these specialty markers more time to season. The Gargoyle for instance is one fine beast. It reminds of what markers were like in the late 80's and early 90's. From the Line SI Bushmaster to the Lapco Grey Ghost each marker must be given time to break in. Rodney built the Gargoyle to be a once in a lifetime marker so Rodney made it with very tight tolerances because after all tuning and break in are half the fun.

In my opinion today's generation is in too much of a hurry to hit the sweet spot yesterday. I suspect you will find yourself in 10 yrs wishing you had kept all the ones you have owned just to discover the sweet spot of each marker. Ahh but youth is wonderful amigo so enjoy it.

The box gun is THE smoothest pumping gun out of the box I have ever had the pleasure of owning. If I may suggest you find a good Old broken in CIP and you will freak on the buttery smoothness. Like many an MCB member has learned wanting is always much better than having, hence the term gun whore!

Again love the thread, looking forward to your next addition.
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Awesome thread, 'choochie! Keeping my eye on this for sure.
Thanks, I forgot to give credit to iron chef! He inspired me to do it with his old duck vs dux vs duckslide.

Btw, Guns that are in my future for this are; retro 7, mini comp, buzzard.

You guys have any other suggestions?
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:46 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Indeed the Carter is both a workhorse and art - =) I have a pair because they were my go to tourney markers for years =)

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Credit where it is due - Jason Kondo of Combat Crew did the modification - mine is #2 the prototype belongs to my friend and teammate back in the Just for Kicks and Giggles days - Raymond Uyehara. Ray's was a tad bit rougher, mine had the refinements, both were fully functional and just plain rock =)

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I think the redux is a great performing stock class gun....

It's sometimes finicky, but it points good and arguably has the best barrel system ever. I am still not a fan of carter's insert system. (both the Sanchez and the slip fit style)

I think too much emphasis is put on "light" stock class guns! Heavy stock class guns are the bomb for keeping a small profile (shooting without a stock)
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I think the redux is a great performing stock class gun....

It's sometimes finicky, but it points good and arguably has the best barrel system ever. I am still not a fan of carter's insert system. (both the Sanchez and the slip fit style)

I think too much emphasis is put on "light" stock class guns! Heavy stock class guns are the bomb for keeping a small profile (shooting without a stock)
These are my thoughts on the guns, that said opinions may differ.

A gun that you have to carfully look every time you cock means you are taking your eyes off the game. That is a big deal to me. It is just not as playable as these other guns.

Its very cool though, I am happy I got the chance to own one.
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