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Old 02-03-2012, 07:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Comprehensive High end SC gun comparison/review

Hey guys, This is something that I have wanted to do for some time but never did. I figure that I have owned enough stock class markers now that I can start this up. The idea of this thread is to help guide those interested in taking the "next step" in their stock class paintball career. That said I will only be reviewing those that are widely considered to be high end...

Please note that this thread will be consistently updated as I aquire new information and guns

So with that lets begin...
Carter machine boxgun:
If you would like to read a full review, go here:Carter Machine Boxgun Review

A little backstory: This boxgun was my 1st high end stock class marker and I had it for many months. It Served me well.

Pros-:
-Good looking
-comfy round pump handle, this varies gun to gun
-comfy humpback frame
-nice sliding trigger, not as good as some others though.
-millet ironsites make aiming the marker easy
-pretty good pump stroke, not amazing when compared to some others but good.
-Well balanced
-Barrel kit
-efficient
Cons:
-Heavy, this can be good or bad but the gun if pretty damn heavy for its size...
-Very expensive, considerably more than many others
-Expensive replacement parts and barrel inserts
-Occasionally finicky, the boxgun has a recurring issue with binding on the pump stroke. Some have found solutions but for me they were not premenant.
-Customer service can be iffy(I have no problems but others have...)

Final thoughts: If you have alot of cash to spend and like the looks and design of the boxgun then it might be for you. It has its quirks but they can be worked around. I myself would pass on it if I were given the choice again, that is just my preference.

Next up, the RTR Gargoyle:


Backstory: I picked this up used here, it was in my hands for a few months and then I sold it.

Pros::
-Low cost(compared to others)
-nice looking, but it it kinda looks like a phantom, a bit underwhelming to me.
-EXTREMELY user freindly! This gun has loads of features that make it easy to use and maintain.
-Tool less quick strip makes cleaning and maintainence almost fun!
-Great trigger, nice frame and trigger pull, one of the best I have felt
-phantom internals which make replacing parts a breeze!
-Great Customer Service
Cons:
-Lack of sights, I wish it had a sight rail so one could mount an armson pro dot or something.
-Not that great of pump stroke. Maybe i am just spoiled but the pump stroke was lacking imo. This might be just mine though, I have felt stitches and his is real smooth.

Final thoughts: This gun is great, I miss it and I will likely buy another in the future. If you are looking for something that just works and is very user freindly, the gargoyle is great for you! It might not be as fancy looking as some of the others but it is a players gun, it is a joy to have on the field.

Next up is the Redux:
A full review can be found here: Redux review.


Backstory: I wanted this thing forever but got tired of waiting for the new ones to finish(still not done...) so I got the boxgun instead. I then got this used about 8 months later, i have now sold it.

Pros:
-Looks AWSOME, very cool indeed.
-feels nice in the hands, very solid.
-great pump stroke
-Millet iron sights
-compact ingrip co2 changer(very smooth)
Cons:
-expensive
-Bad efficiency, mine got 40 at first then I took it to the field and it got 20 at best. These are known for bad efficiency
-Pinches paint. This is the worst part of the gun. You have to do some funky cocking methods to avoid the pinching of paint
-Not user friendly in the least

Final thoughts:This gun is a show peice, cool design and great looks. If you are looking for a sweet looking gun that you can play with, this might be for you...If you are looking for a gun that works great and can be a go to gun, I would pass on the redux. For me it is just a pain to deal with on the field, it you have to really take your time when loading it or your game ends. I would pass on it if I were given another chance, its just not for me though some have been successfull with it.

Next up is the Carter Machine mini Buzzard


Backstory: I bought the orange and black gun used on mcb awhile ago and it has been my go to marker for many months. I love it so much I decided to buy a 2nd one(pink) in pistol form. The ones I own have the aluminum snub, this is how they come brand new now. The older ones had stainless snubs.

Pros:
-Good looking(I say that for all my guns though)
-AMAZING pump stroke, comparable to ccm, the best I have felt to date
-AMAZING trigger pull, again, best I have ever felt
-Perfect wight, more heft than say a phantom but not to heavy
-User freindly, never had any issues with this one
-efficient
-barrel kit
Cons:
-Like with the boxgun, pricy internals and inserts
-I guess price is fairly high but it is considerably less than some of the others...


Final Thoughts: If you want a reliable, super smooth beast of a gun, I highly recommend the mini buzzard. It is a great shooter and my favorite gun to date. I love it so much I bought a 2nd one!

Well that is all for now, I will continue to update this thread as time passes.

Thanks for reading, I hope this can be an informative guide toward your next purchase

Guns that I plan on adding to the list are: retro 7, phantom with dukie grip frame, and some others... Leave suggestions for others you are interested in seeing.

Later,
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure that at least three of those markers cost more than my car by themselves.
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i have no idea how a 16 year old can afford guns like this but it's awesome. the force is strong with this one.


nice to see your thoughts on the markers, they're all beauts thats for sure.
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I'm pretty sure that at least three of those markers cost more than my car by themselves.
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i have no idea how a 16 year old can afford guns like this but it's awesome. the force is strong with this one.


nice to see your thoughts on the markers, they're all beauts thats for sure.
15, and thanks

BTW, please excuse any typos in the post(I am sure there are plenty).

I did not feel like going through and correcting them...
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Why 2 alum bodied mini buzzards?

Trade me one of em for my SS bodied mini buzzard and you'll have the best of both worlds.

Also, I can attest to the fact that mini buzzards are easy to take apart and user friendly. It's just as simple as a phantom but you dont have to fight against the return spring and the vert ASA isn't held in by two dinky screws. Great design.


Lechooch can afford all these badass markers because he cooks meth and sells it to elementary school kids. amiright?
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Nice review Lechooch .I like to see other peoples opinions .Great work.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Well being that I'm the original owner of the orange/black mini buzzard I can attest to what was written. That gun is IMO the single finest gun that Earon has made!

I have also handled the pink one at Demonio's.

One the Gargoyle I agree with most of what he said. But I disagree with what he said about the pump stroke. It had to have been his. I have #23 and have played with Shadow's purple Garg, and both have pump strokes that rival a Carter.

On Lechooch's boxgun (currently with Jebus I believe) the pump issue he mentioned was due in part on the added ring that was normally milled with the pump handle itself. It didn't quite ever want to sit properly in the pump handle, and that cause some play and binding.

My boxgun that I traded for my current Gargoyle had some things that I didn't like. I was fortunate enough to be able to handle quite a few boxguns at Earon's. So I knew what I liked and what didn't. Overall I was extremely happy with my boxgun. it just wasn't MINE. I'm working on that though.
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....nice review! I am sure your spelling will improve before you turn 16!

I appreciate your honestly in the reviews! We need more reviews with just the facts! Nicely done! I will be giving you an "A-"!
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Why 2 alum bodied mini buzzards?

Trade me one of em for my SS bodied mini buzzard and you'll have the best of both worlds.

Also, I can attest to the fact that mini buzzards are easy to take apart and user friendly. It's just as simple as a phantom but you dont have to fight against the return spring and the vert ASA isn't held in by two dinky screws. Great design.


Lechooch can afford all these badass markers because he cooks meth and sells it to elementary school kids. amiright?
I like the aluminum ones, no need for a stainless.

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Nice review Lechooch .I like to see other peoples opinions .Great work.
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Well being that I'm the original owner of the orange/black mini buzzard I can attest to what was written. That gun is IMO the single finest gun that Earon has made!

I have also handled the pink one at Demonio's.

One the Gargoyle I agree with most of what he said. But I disagree with what he said about the pump stroke. It had to have been his. I have #23 and have played with Shadow's purple Garg, and both have pump strokes that rival a Carter.

On Lechooch's boxgun (currently with Jebus I believe) the pump issue he mentioned was due in part on the added ring that was normally milled with the pump handle itself. It didn't quite ever want to sit properly in the pump handle, and that cause some play and binding.

My boxgun that I traded for my current Gargoyle had some things that I didn't like. I was fortunate enough to be able to handle quite a few boxguns at Earon's. So I knew what I liked and what didn't. Overall I was extremely happy with my boxgun. it just wasn't MINE. I'm working on that though.
Yup, the buzzard is my favorite to date. The boxgun was cool, but I did not like it as much. The pump stroke on the garg is bot BAD per say. But it is not as smooth as the other guns I reviewed.
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....nice review! I am sure your spelling will improve before you turn 16!

I appreciate your honestly in the reviews! We need more reviews with just the facts! Nicely done! I will be giving you an "A-"!
Many people will not give an honest review of High cost markers. This is because of pride, you spend 1000+ on a gun and you don't want to admit that is has flaws or is not worth the cash...

Thanks for the feedback folks!
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Lechooch, like I said that was your garg. When I get back hopefully I will be able to get out and you can feel the pump stroke on mine. It feels like an old skool Carter!
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